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Old 05-29-2018, 09:50 AM
 
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I'm a life-long atheist. For a few reasons:

1. I've yet to see enough evidence for a grand creator.
2. I'm not convinced that any particular religion is true or the truest.
3. I have clear life goals and I don't feel astray or confused at all.

However, I'm open-minded to any new evidence that are testable. I'd be more than glad to be proven wrong.

So, dear theists/believers, here's the deal: if you provide me enough evidence to convince me that a grand creator exists and that your religion is true, I'll convert.
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Old 05-29-2018, 09:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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I'm a life-long atheist. For a few reasons:

1. I've yet to see enough evidence for a grand creator.
2. I'm not convinced that any particular religion is true or the truest.
3. I have clear life goals and I don't feel astray or confused at all.

However, I'm open-minded to any new evidence that are testable. I'd be more than glad to be proven wrong.

So, dear theists/believers, here's the deal: if you provide me enough evidence to convince me that a grand creator exists and that your religion is true, I'll convert.
Why would you be "more than glad" to convert to something else when you say you are content with your life as it is? That seems to indicate you have a desire to believe that a "grand creator" exists. Is that the case? If so, why?
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I'll add an offer of my own.

I have on my computer desk a bottle of water. If you tell me that you will pray to whatever deity you pray to turn that water into Red wine (I insist on red, to go with the Thai curry, see?) and it does so, I will immediately accept the truth of whatever religion or god you believe in.

This offer has been standing for near 15 years and NOBODY has (so far as i can recall) even commented on it, never mind take up the offer. That to me is 80% proof that they don't really really believe their religion, and whatever the reason they profess it, it isn't really because they have Faith in it.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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You're a funny guy hiwaystar888. It sounds like more of a mockery of belief than a sincere interest on your part.

Regardless, change comes from within, not based on other people.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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Scientists are usually glad to be proven wrong, because they care about what's true.

If something has enough evidence, then I'd say it's true; if something doesn't have enough evidence, then I can't say it's true. I don't have a ''desire'' to ''believe'' in anything.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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How dare you not believe in the biblical god. He has provided you all the proof you need. The fact that all other religious books and gods are fake, does not give you reason to doubt the biblical god. Shame on you, now go and sin no more.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:22 AM
 
Location: USA
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Scientists are usually glad to be proven wrong, because they care about what's true.

If something has enough evidence, then I'd say it's true; if something doesn't have enough evidence, then I can't say it's true. I don't have a ''desire'' to ''believe'' in anything.
Ah, okay. If you're a scientist, I'd say conduct your own experiments and don't rely on anyone else's "evidence".
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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You're a funny guy hiwaystar888. It sounds like more of a mockery of belief than a sincere interest on your part.

Regardless, change comes from within, not based on other people.
You're a hoot, old dissembler. I doubt that you are being honest (either about what you think the OP's motives are or what yours are) but what it comes down to is a tacit admission that Prayer doesn't work; miracles don't work. And you know they don't. So it's appeal to Faith.And it really does come down to a Choice here - whether to go with the evidence, or opt for a belief (not as a probability but a sure fact) on not only No good evidence but in despite of a heap of evidence that it isn't true.

And you think the OP is funny. Well, I'd be bemused if I though that was honest, but it is not. You don't think it's funny at all. You are rtrying to make a joke of it and laugh it off.

It isn't a joke, and you can't laugh it off.


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Old 05-29-2018, 10:26 AM
 
Location: USA
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You're a hoot, old dissembler. I doubt that you are being honest (either about what you think the OP's motives are or what yours are) but what it comes down to is a tacit admission that Prayer doesn't work; miracles don't work. And you know they don't. So it's appeal to Faith.And it really does come down to a Choice here - whether to go with the evidence, or opt for a belief (not as a probability but a sure fact) on not only No good evidence but in despite of a heap of evidence that it isn't true.

And you think the OP is funny. Well, I'd be bemused if I though that was honest, but it is not. You don't think it's funny at all. You are rtrying to make a joke of it and laugh it off.

It isn't a joke, and you can't laugh it off.


We are closing in.
To whom was this directed?
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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All I want is testable evidence. Calling me insincere proves nothing.
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