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Except that everyone knows the Harry Potter books are fiction. The Bible is a collection of 66 books, in different genres, different timelines, authors, etc....and they all agree on a common point.
That Jesus is NOT god; that Jesus IS god; and that Jesus is the son of the good god, and not the evil god of the OT.
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And archaeology proves a lot of it,
It actually proves the opposite.
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as does history,
See above.
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and the existence of the church.
Which tells of many Christianities, with the late 2nd century AD idea of the trinity coming into vogue around 200 AD.
Go to the bookstore, or search Amazon and find a good study Bible that will tie biblical stories to historical times and places. The earth has been around for thousands of years. So many things have happened in America THIS YEAR ALONE, and we are only halfway through. That's six months and ONE country full of historical events. What you are asking as proof is basically impossible for a human being...as you're asking them to prove thousands of years of world events.
Archeology has demonstrated a good study Bible is often worthless when doing history.
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And I think the nonbelievers know that...and just want to be able to say, "See, I told you so!!!" when a person can't produce what they're not willing to accept in the first place.
No, we know what the evidence tells us, whereas you need to pretend otherwise.
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Why are you in this forum if you don't believe? Is your goal to antagonize the believers?
Of course not. We are here to educate those willing to learn. It has nothing to do with believers.
Really all the skeptics can do it point out that a deal on Interpretation has to be done to get the prophecy to work, and time goes on and still nothing happens and the believers assure us 'any moment now' just as they have done for two thousand years (or nearly (the first end times claims surely began in the AD mid 30's - before Paul converted)
The people who wrote the Dead Sea scrolls were expecting a future end to the world about 100 years, if not more, before Paul. They also expected two messiahs at the same time.
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The Christian take on the sabbath is a complete pig's ear (if you will pardon the expression) as it comes from the OT (which Jesus was supposed to have replaced) it was specifically declared irrelevant by Jesus, and yet has been made very much a doctrinal issue -with the 'Sabbath' on the wrong day. I am so very glad I don't have to try to defend this dogs' breakfast of a religion.
There is really no wrong day. There just needs to be a specific day for it to be followed by all. Christians did follow the way of Judaism upwards of a few decades ago with the use of Blue Laws. But Capitalism became the firster over religion and out the door they it went. For Blue Laws to last so long, it showed that many Christians didn't believe JC stated it or the NT was not correct. IMO many thought if he followed all his life before his crucifixion, it made no sense for him to pull a 180 afterwards. Even though Christians hold it to be Sunday, in essence they are keeping to the Sabbath by spending part of the time in prayer and using it as a day to spend it with family. Those who shop or go to restaurants during the daytime are basically requiring others to work for them to do so which is multiple violations of the Sabbath.
Archeology has demonstrated a good study Bible is often worthless when doing history.
No, we know what the evidence tells us, whereas you need to pretend otherwise.
Of course not. We are here to educate those willing to learn. It has nothing to do with believers.
Why do you feel the need to study and know about these things when you don't believe? What purpose does if serve? Like I told a parent yesterday. I know the Easter bunny isn't real. I am not going to feverishly study something I know isn't real. It's a waste of my time. Neither will I try to convince others not to believe in the Easter bunny. That is also a waste of my time. Why should what they believe bother me if it doesn't infringe upon my rights?
Why do you feel the need to study and know about these things when you don't believe? What purpose does if serve? Like I told a parent yesterday. I know the Easter bunny isn't real. I am not going to feverishly study something I know isn't real. It's a waste of my time. Neither will I try to convince others not to believe in the Easter bunny. That is also a waste of my time. Why should what they believe bother me if it doesn't infringe upon my rights?
Except I DO believe Jews and Christians are real. I have met quiet a few. I was also a Christian once. And it was my interest in who the real Jesus was, plus my love of history, that made me study this.
Except I DO believe Jews and Christians are real. I have met quiet a few. I was also a Christian once. And it was my interest in who the real Jesus was, plus my love of history, that made me study this.
That's fine, but doesn't answer the question about why you need to argue the Bible isn't real if you've already determined it has been "disproved"? You should rest easy in your knowledge of the truth...and feel sorry for those who believe fiction. But your needing to show others that the Bible is disproved suggests to me that you aren't so sure of your position.
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