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It never ceases to amaze me that some christians think that if they are talking to a person who doesn't believe in the bible, that if they quote bible verses the person they're talking to will then believe in the bible. Talk about a smack head!
If you’re going to talk about Christianity, you shouldn’t be surprised when scripture comes into the conversation. Thrillobyte uses scripture in most of his threads. This thread is a perfect example. Plus, a poster may not know who is and isn’t a Christian.
It never ceases to amaze me that some christians think that if they are talking to a person who doesn't believe in the bible, that if they quote bible verses the person they're talking to will then believe in the bible. Talk about a smack head!
You are defining Christianity by how you have seen certain people today define it, but not how I see it from reading and interpreting the Bible. But in the first century you might have identified with it.
You are defining Christianity by how you have seen certain people today define it, but not how I see it from reading and interpreting the Bible. But in the first century you might have identified with it.
True, because in the first century we didn't know much.
That's not to say they're dumb, but I think you're right.
I related before the story about when I was teaching evolution in earth science class, and one year the unit exam was to write an essay: "Why I believe in evolution" or "Why I don't believe in evolution". Everyone who wrote a page that showed at least a little thinking about the topic, regardless of which position they took, got an A. That was the year I had a number of very religious parents who came in complaining, and during conversations all said some variation on "I don't want my child to think". Even when their child was allowed to think and come to the religious conclusion...they still didn't want their child to think.
That's not to say they're dumb, but I think you're right.
I related before the story about when I was teaching evolution in earth science class, and one year the unit exam was to write an essay: "Why I believe in evolution" or "Why I don't believe in evolution". Everyone who wrote a page that showed at least a little thinking about the topic, regardless of which position they took, got an A. That was the year I had a number of very religious parents who came in complaining, and during conversations all said some variation on "I don't want my child to think". Even when their child was allowed to think and come to the religious conclusion...they still didn't want their child to think.
Sadly, I'm not surprised. Keeping their children ignorant is why home-schooling is so common among fundamentalists sects. My own sister, with her 10th Grade education, home-schooled her three daughters.
Needless to say, a couple of decades later, all three girls are a mess.
Here is the most accurate English translation of John 8:44. This is the Matthew's Bible with modified spelling and grammar. This is even more accurate than the KJV.
John 8:44 New Matthew Bible (NMB)
Jesus is not speaking about God the Father in this verse. He is speaking about Satan. Other translations agree with the NMB,
John 8:44 King James Version (KJV)
John 8:44 English Standard Version (ESV)
John 8:44 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
The words in bold and underscored are in the Genetive case, that is they belong to something, they are OF something.
So the phrase in English should read "You are of the father of the devil". The father of the devil is the OT god (unless you want to argue Jesus created everything including the devil, which makes no sense here).
In full, the pericope is saying the father of Jesus is not the father of the Jews, who "was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies".
It never ceases to amaze me that some christians think that if they are talking to a person who doesn't believe in the bible, that if they quote bible verses the person they're talking to will then believe in the bible. Talk about a smack head!
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Originally Posted by TroutDude
Yeah. They think a wall of nonsensical bible-babble somehow bolsters their case.
I don't think too many fundies qualify for Mensa.
To be fair, I mentioned this Bible passage first, as an example of how Christians mistranslate passages.
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