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Old 06-30-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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All unsubstantiated OPINIONS with absolutely no verifiable evidence. We have 4 honest men reporting it did happen and you can't refute anything they said.
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How do you know they were honest?

That, too, is an opinion.
I would hardly think of someone who claims that an executed man was dead for three days then resurrected himself, as being honest.

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Old 06-30-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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i would hardly think someone who claims that an executed man was dead for three days then resurrected himself, as being honest.
lol!
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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Still you missed Saul`s (Paul`s) conversion to Christianity from Acts 9:1-9 .......``And Saul , yet breathing out threats and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord went to the High Priest...............and desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way , whether they were men or women , he might bring them bound to Jerusalem .................And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus, and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven ..................And he fell to the earth , and heard a voice saying to him Saul, Saul why are you persecuting me ? ........ And Saul said Who are you Lord? And the Lord said ``I AM JESUS whom you persecute , it is hard for you to kick against the pricks ..............And Saul trembling and astonished said Lord what will you have me to do? And the Lord said to him Arise and go into the city and it will be told you what you must do ..........And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice , but seeing no man.........And Saul arose from the earth , and when his eyes were opened he saw no man , but they led him by the hand , and brought him to Damascus...................... See here is the conversion of Paul to Christianity as He got a witness of Jesus Christ who was risen from the dead and here is Jesus many months after the empty tomb , where Jesus has many times given His coverts a complete witness of His resurrection from the dead
A careful study of the epistles reveals that according to Paul's beliefs Jesus had no presence as such on earth. Richard Carrier and Robert Price, both esteemed Biblical scholars with PhD's in ancient history have done treatises showing how Paul thought Jesus was a spiritual god, not a corporeal one. Paul always speaks of Jesus in the heavenly realms. He never talks at all about details of Jesus' life on earth such as Mary, his mother, his miracles, his betrayal, Pontius Pilate, the trial, the empty tomb.etc. If Paul had known about an empty tomb, being in jerusalem at the time he surely would have mentioned it in the epistles but he doesn't. Paul doesn't even know Judas had killed himself and there were only 11 disciples. Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 when there were only 11. Paul knows none of this which means the Christian theology was still in its primitive state and hadn't evolved. 40 years after Paul's death when the gospels are being written the theology is being tweaked and changed to suit the prevailing times and that's when all these details about Christ's life start to emerge.
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:12 PM
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A careful study of the epistles reveals that according to Paul's beliefs Jesus had no presence as such on earth. Richard Carrier and Robert Price, both esteemed Biblical scholars with PhD's in ancient history have done treatises showing how Paul thought Jesus was a spiritual god, not a corporeal one. Paul always speaks of Jesus in the heavenly realms. He never talks at all about details of Jesus' life on earth such as Mary, his mother, his miracles, his betrayal, Pontius Pilate, the trial, the empty tomb.etc. If Paul had known about an empty tomb, being in jerusalem at the time he surely would have mentioned it in the epistles but he doesn't. Paul doesn't even know Judas had killed himself and there were only 11 disciples. Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 when there were only 11. Paul knows none of this which means the Christian theology was still in its primitive state and hadn't evolved. 40 years after Paul's death when the gospels are being written the theology is being tweaked and changed to suit the prevailing times and that's when all these details about Christ's life start to emerge.
Wrong.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

1 Cor. 15:3-7
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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Wrong.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

1 Cor. 15:3-7
This was all after he allegedly rose from the dead, Jimmie. Paul gives no details of Jesus' earthly life in any of his epistles because he doesn't know anything about an earthly Jesus.

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Old 06-30-2018, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Relax. Not you. He's trying to reach Christians who are still capable of objectivity and rational thought.
Trying to prove the nonexistence of what he believes didnt happen is an irrational obsession of atheists.
They dont even notice.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:54 PM
 
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This was all after he allegedly rose from the dead, Jimmie. Paul gives no details of Jesus' earthly life in any of his epistles because he doesn't know anything about an earthly Jesus.
As the following statements of Paul show, in which he states that Jesus was born of a woman, born a descendant of David after the flesh, and that he was made in the likeness of men, Paul knew full well of an 'earthly Jesus.'
Galatians 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

Romans 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,

Philippians 2:5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6] who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7] but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Paul doesn't go into the details of Jesus' life as the Gospels do because Paul's letters weren't Gospels. His letters generally addressed problems within the churches to which he wrote, and matters of Christian doctrine.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:55 PM
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Trying to prove the nonexistence of what he believes didnt happen is an irrational obsession of atheists.
They dont even notice.

Possibly. Trying bouncing that off an atheist.
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Old 06-30-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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13 The Lord will indeed descend into the world in the last days, (he) who is to be called Christ after he has descended and become like you in form, and they will think that he is flesh and a man. 14 And the god of that world will stretch out [his hand against the Son], and they will lay their hands upon him and hang him upon a tree, not knowing who he is. 15 And thus his descent, as you will see, will be concealed even from the heavens so that it will not be known who he is. 16 And when he has plundered the angel of death, he will rise on the third day and will remain in that world for five hundred and forty-five days.
-----Ascension of Isaiah 9:13-16

“THE ASCENSION OF ISAIAH”

Ascension of Isaiah dated to the time of the writing of the gospels. It demonstrats an early belief about the divine nature of Jesus who assumed what appeared to be bodily form on earth.
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Old 06-30-2018, 07:39 PM
 
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A careful study of the epistles reveals that according to Paul's beliefs Jesus had no presence as such on earth. Richard Carrier and Robert Price, both esteemed Biblical scholars with PhD's in ancient history have done treatises showing how Paul thought Jesus was a spiritual god, not a corporeal one. Paul always speaks of Jesus in the heavenly realms. He never talks at all about details of Jesus' life on earth such as Mary, his mother, his miracles, his betrayal, Pontius Pilate, the trial, the empty tomb.etc. If Paul had known about an empty tomb, being in jerusalem at the time he surely would have mentioned it in the epistles but he doesn't. Paul doesn't even know Judas had killed himself and there were only 11 disciples. Paul says Jesus appeared to the 12 when there were only 11. Paul knows none of this which means the Christian theology was still in its primitive state and hadn't evolved. 40 years after Paul's death when the gospels are being written the theology is being tweaked and changed to suit the prevailing times and that's when all these details about Christ's life start to emerge.
THRILLOYTE! You never referenced my "lost tomb " theory which I have explained over and over again in your argument!

I think I made the most valid modern point.....if this momentous event happened, then why, to this day, is there no proof at all and no common agreement on WHERE this supposed miraculous tomb supposedly is?

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