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Old 07-01-2018, 06:00 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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All using the word for made, produced (as Philippians 2:7 as it).

Romans 1:2 also says this was a revelation in scripture, and not an actual historical birth.

Rom 1:2 says no such thing.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:04 AM
 
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Wrong.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures
Let's just pretend that Good Friday and Easter Sunday are 3 days apart. And let's also pretend that a god did in fact save us by breaking his own commandment which deals with murder.

If this god actually did rise from his death, then that would mean that god faked his death in order to save humanity (there's another broken commandment; the one dealing with dishonesty). So why would I worship a deity who broke two of his own laws in the process of "saving" me? (And left no evidence that any of it happened)
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:07 AM
 
Location: knoxville, Tn.
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Paul even calls Jesus an angel in Galatians 4:14. Revelations also calls Jesus an angel.

No he doesn't.


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Hebrews says he was a divine being greater than the angels, and who sacrificed once and once only in a heavenly tabernacle not made by human hands.

Closed enough.


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I had read some of Carriers arguments and found them possible but not convincing. It was not until I read the epistle to the Hebrews that I stopped believing in a historical Jesus.

The book of Hebrews is one of the best sources to believe in an historical Jesus. The truth is for some reason you do not want to believe in Jesus so you find way not to. There is more evidence that He did exist, than that He did not. The main question is was He divine?
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:10 AM
 
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that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. So revealed in the Old Testament.

And the Greek for 'appear' can also be used to mean seen in visions, and not as a resurrected man.



There is several Greek words for "appear." Which one are you referring to?
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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There is several Greek words for "appear." Which one are you referring to?
Omega, do you also think that Corinthians is more authoritative than the gospels?
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:22 AM
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Location: The Haunted Mansion
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that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. So revealed in the Old Testament.

And the Greek for 'appear' can also be used to mean seen in visions, and not as a resurrected man.
Read the rest of that passage. Paul is talking about a physcal event.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:24 AM
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Let's just pretend that Good Friday and Easter Sunday are 3 days apart. And let's also pretend that a god did in fact save us by breaking his own commandment which deals with murder.

If this god actually did rise from his death, then that would mean that god faked his death in order to save humanity (there's another broken commandment; the one dealing with dishonesty). So why would I worship a deity who broke two of his own laws in the process of "saving" me? (And left no evidence that any of it happened)
Lol. Where do you get this “fake” death?
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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Lol. Where do you get this “fake” death?
It's simple. God played dead for 3 days and then flew away full of life. That's not how it's worded within the faith but that is what allegedly happened. Jesus played a game of "surprise y'all, I'm not dead... Told you I was god".
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:04 AM
 
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Time does not altar truth.
Altar?

Time does not alter neither truth nor lies.

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What I posted is not an unsubstantiated opinion. WE have 4 accounts give by men who considered bearing false witness a sin against their God. If only one hare reported it, you might have a point, but all 4 reported it. You have no evidence it did not happen as reported.
In your unsubstantiated opinion.

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You don't want to believe it, so you don't.
You are talking about yourself again. You don't want to believe the evidence we have given against the NT, so you don't.

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How?
Paul's first visit to Jerusalem is just the first.
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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Rom 1:2 says no such thing.
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, ...

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No he doesn't.
Not in the translations with added punctuation. But in the original Greek ...

καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν μου τὸν ἐν τῇ σαρκί μοῦ οὐκ ἐξουθενήσατε οὐδὲ ἐξεπτύσατε ἀλλ' ὡς ἄγγελον θεοῦ ἐδέξασθέ με ὡς Χριστὸν Ἰησοῦν

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The book of Hebrews is one of the best sources to believe in an historical Jesus. The truth is for some reason you do not want to believe in Jesus so you find way not to. There is more evidence that He did exist, than that He did not. The main question is was He divine?
The book that says Jesus was a divine being that never walked the earth, and that his one and only sacrifice was in heaven (refuting the gospel accounts)?

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There is several Greek words for "appear." Which one are you referring to?
ὁράω
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