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Old 07-05-2018, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That's why a map would be nice...eliminate the dead ends that waste our time.

 
Old 07-05-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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That's why a map would be nice...eliminate the dead ends that waste our time.
Ah, but are they ever truly a waste of time?

OR, do I just not want to admit that so much of life has been a waste of time?

I think I need another glass of red wine to help me think this through.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 09:13 PM
 
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We realize that you don't want to be questioned.
Ask away!
 
Old 07-05-2018, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Ah, but are they ever truly a waste of time?

OR, do I just not want to admit that so much of life has been a waste of time?

I think I need another glass of red wine to help me think this through.
Depends. Sometimes dead-ends are just dead-ends. Sometimes we learn something while we're in tere.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Ask away!
We ask every day.

We rarely get any answer beyond "I have faith".

We keep saying that's not good enough.

Vicious circle.

"We" does not mean everyone.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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We ask every day.

We rarely get any answer beyond "I have faith".

We keep saying that's not good enough.

Vicious circle.

"We" does not mean everyone.
Well,
It's probably because you haven't talked with some who was an atheist.
At least someone who thought it meant something different than absolute certainty of there is no Creator.
Typically I used to follow the theory of evolution being rational and plausible. But that was because I was only presented with evidences perpetuated in the curriculum at the time.
Which was taught in public schools.
Even so, they only explained it as a theory and it was only a very short introduction.
Throughout most of my education the sciences of biology only intoduced known facts.
The fun stuff, no evolution discussed.
And being an avid enthusiest of nature. I loved to learn about all of creation. Never got to involved with chemistry or geology.
Biology and physics were my favorites.
I should probably go refresh on some of the basics.

Either way.
There came a time when I had to acknowledge my own uncertainties. Kinda scary. But an absolutely wonderfull journey to be where the Lord has brought me.

Typically I discuss exegesis in the Christian forum.
But here nah.

A nice relaxed conversation would be nice.

I don't think athiest should try delving into scripture with out a helper.
So just ask about everyday life kind of stuff.
Family, profession, friends.
Joy and concerns kind of conversation.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Well,
It's probably because you haven't talked with some who was an atheist.
At least someone who thought it meant something different than absolute certainty of there is no Creator.
Typically I used to follow the theory of evolution being rational and plausible. But that was because I was only presented with evidences perpetuated in the curriculum at the time.
Which was taught in public schools.
Even so, they only explained it as a theory and it was only a very short introduction.
Throughout most of my education the sciences of biology only intoduced known facts.
The fun stuff, no evolution discussed.
And being an avid enthusiest of nature. I loved to learn about all of creation. Never got to involved with chemistry or geology.
Biology and physics were my favorites.
I should probably go refresh on some of the basics.

Either way.
There came a time when I had to acknowledge my own uncertainties. Kinda scary. But an absolutely wonderfull journey to be where the Lord has brought me.

Typically I discuss exegesis in the Christian forum.
But here nah.

A nice relaxed conversation would be nice.

I don't think athiest should try delving into scripture with out a helper.
So just ask about everyday life kind of stuff.
Family, profession, friends.
Joy and concerns kind of conversation.
No. Wrong again.

I don't believe there is no god is a certainty. Show me the proof...not faith...and I'll actually be happy to believe.

As a teacher of earth science who taught evolution, while I cannot say what you personally experienced in school, your depiction of how evolution was taught in public schools is not valid. When taught correctly -- in places where it was taught -- teacher simply taught here's what we know and here's what we think. In general, I don't think that there is any doubt whatsoever about evolution. But I never told a student that. What did I get in return -- parents who sometimes LITERALLY said "I don't want my child to think".

Perhaps a christian shouldn't delve into atheism without a helper. (Really, your comment is just more christian ego).
 
Old 07-06-2018, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Funny how the topic of religion almost always focuses against Bible believing Christians here. I don't see a desire for discussion. Just Bible bashing and venting against God.
Funny how I was talking about ALL religions, just like the OP, and you made it about your (singular) religion.

Atheist: I do not believe in gods.
Jeff: Stop persecuting Christians.
 
Old 07-06-2018, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Perhaps because I almost never see open-minded, educated discussion about christianity. What I most often see is dogma...varying degrees of dogma...but still dogma.

We have a few open-minded christian posters, however. I enjoy chatting with them. Mighty Queen is a good example.
 
Old 07-06-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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I do agree that each person's path needs to be somewhat unique. And as a Methodist, turned Catholic, turned Christian/Buddhist, turned Buddhist/atheist, I certainly agree that one must turn away from the men of the bible to find the path. I'm satisfied with the path I took, although I wish it had been shorter, and I wish I had had a map at the time.

X marks the spot.

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