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Originally Posted by jonesg
The eruption of mt Vesuvius was witnessed by thousands over a large area. It was a catastrophic event.
There is no official record of the event.
The only reason we know is from a private letter by Pliny to a relative.
Why should jesus be documented, just because atheists want proof?
Proof again?
You want proof try doing what he said to do, he gave clear directions.
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Try doing what he saied to do?
Really?
Because it seems to me that an awful lot of Christians in THIS country couldn't care less about the teachings of Jesus.
Instead, they channel all -- and I do mean ALL -- of their efforts and energies into attacking gays and pushing science denial. In some religious circles, a lot of effort and energy went into protecting pedophiles from prosecution whilst going to other countries that are riddled with an AIDs epidemic and convincing them that condoms are evil.
WHERE is the love, the tolerance, the empathy, the compassion, the forgiveness that Jesus taught? Did Jesus spend his time ranting about gays, birth control, and the falsehood of evolution?
Religion *could* be a beautiful thing (though I still wouldn't believe in Yahweh) but instead, far too many practitioners of religion have decided to corrupt and pervert it by focusing the entire Christian paradigm on a handful of obscure verses detailing "sins" that were so minor that they were only mentioned in the Bible once or twice -- and in some cases, not at all.
Plus, we know Vesuvius erupted thanks to the lava, ash, and volcanic rock that formed a dark layer in the rock strata that any first year geology student could see. Even if Earth were a barren planet with no eyewitnesses anywhere to tell scientists that a volcano erupted, geologists still would have figured out that Vesuvius had, in fact, erupted -- and more than once, even.
And no, we're not saying Jesus should be documented just because we want proof.
He should have been documented because he supposedly rose from the dead. Even if not a single contemporary historian wrote a single jot about Jesus before his resurrection, they would have been scrambling to write entire manuscripts about him afterwards. They would have been interviewing, even interrogating damn near anyone and everyone who had any contact with Jesus whatsoever and recording every last tidbit of information -- until that one lucky historian managed to complete that comprehensive biography of Jesus the Christ.
And there would've been hundreds of other biographies from dozens of different points of view. Sure, not all of them would've survived to the modern day, but it is highly likely some would. But there aren't any.
I personally don't care one way or the other if he actually existed; if he did, he was just the charismatic leader of a messianic doomsday cult, the kind of guy that would be seen as a madman by today's standards. Anyone claiming to be the mortal "son of the Jewish god Yahweh" would be considered insane by even most Christians - unless he found the nearest body of water and walked on it right then and there.
But coming up with a plethora of miracles after the fact isn't very impressive. Waiting decades, even centuries, to suddenly "remember" every important thing Jesus said writing them down for the New Testament should seem dodgy to anyone with the slightest amount of skepticism.
But oh well, what can one do. *shrug*
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