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Old 08-22-2018, 08:59 PM
 
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Jesus is ONE of the greatest prophets in Islam and so is Abraham, Moses and Muhammad (saw).
the wording MQ used is "they believe [Muslims] that J was the greatest prophet."
GoCar, you are a Muslim, simple question simple answer please, "Who was the greatest prophet in Islam?"
i understood it to be Muhamd. is there a greatest prophet in Islam? or are they all equally great?

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They believe that Jesus was the greatest prophet that he was born from the Virgin Mary, and that he will return, but they do not believe Jesus is God. They do, however, believe in the same "One" God that all the Abrahamic religions believe in.

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Old 08-22-2018, 09:13 PM
 
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no, for a Muslim the greatest prophet is not J it is Muhamd
No, that's not correct, as it was explained to me. Muhammad is the last and final and has the status as the messenger who is supposed to have corrected the errors in the previous beliefs of Jews and Christians, but Jesus/Isa is the prophet who will return in the end.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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No, that's not correct, as it was explained to me. Muhammad is the last and final and has the status as the messenger who is supposed to have corrected the errors in the previous beliefs of Jews and Christians, but Jesus/Isa is the prophet who will return in the end.
my understanding of Islam is that Isa's appearance at the end is as sidekick or second in rank to the Mahdi to fight as an assistant to the Mahdi in battle. It is the Mahdi who is the "rightly guided one" "redeemer of Islam." It is the Mahdi, a righteous man from among the descendants of Muhamd who will "appear at the end of time, through whom Allah will set mankind’s affairs straight, and will fill the earth with fairness and justice just as it was filled with wrongdoing and oppression. His name will be the same as the name of the Prophet." Isa will be the vizier to the Mahdi, and follow the Mahdi in prayer as a subordinate. When Isa dies after 40 years he is buried next to Muhamd in Medina.

GoCar is the subject matter expert in Islam however, moreso than either you or I, let's hear from him and defer to his first hand knowledge.

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Old 08-22-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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IMO,
Spin off is perhaps not the right term

ALL prophets BEFOEE Jesus and AFTER Jesus - had same one continuous message of monotheism.

“There is only ONE God who is the creator and the owner of all. He is not begotten and he does not beget.”

This was the message of Jesus as well but Constantine brought the twist of Trinity in Christianty, which is not natural and doesn’t fit in the sequence of the message of monotheism, that was brought by ALL prophets.
In 722, the ten tribes were exiled and scattered to all Gentile nations except for 7000 members of the ten lost tribes that went over to Judah and became one with Judah, and so Judah houses all tribes.


In 722 B.C. God had the king of Assyria take out the ten tribes to scatter, but this king brought the sons of Ishmael and Esau from Babylon and from Egypt where he placed them into the houses of the ten lost tribes.


These new people called the Samaritans wrote to the king of Assyria saying,'' The God of this land is foreign to us, and behold, lions and beasts come out to kill us, please have a priest sent back from the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel to teach us the ways of the God of this land.''


So the king of Assyria did what the people asked, and 1 priest was brought back to teach this new house of Israel the religion of the ten tribes, even the same religion that killed the ten tribes.


For 700 years before Jesus came, these sons of Ishmael and Esau claimed to be the one and only true Israel, they even claimed to be the true seed of God trying to take the inheritance of Israel away from the house of Judah and for this, they became bitter enemies.


When Jesus came, we see this Samaritan woman at the well lying through her teeth as all Samaritans had done for 7 centuries, saying,'' Our Father Jacob built this well.''


Her father WAS NOT JACOB.


She was put there by the king of Assyria and any time a king or people came along that didn't like the Jews, these Samaritans said,'' We are not of Israel, the king of Assyria planted us here.''


But when a king came that loved the Jews, these Samaritans said,'' We are the true Israel, the true seed and chosen people of God.''


That Samaritan woman told Jesus the truth when she said that she was waiting on a true prophet coming out of Joseph in Samaria, not David.


It was this religion that Mohammed stems from, and from this long held belief by the Ten tribes, and taught to the Samaritans. Mohammed came in Passover, Pentecost and the feast of Tabernacles to become that great prophet the ten tribes had waited upon, and in whom those Samaritans had waited upon.


What year was it when Christianity turned to the old Pagan worship system practiced by the ten tribes and by the pagan world?


What Mohammed did, he did in following Christianity, and what Christianity did, they did in following the ten tribes, and what the Samaritans did, they did in following the ten tribes religion....


In fact, God had sent 6 husbands by the seed of the chosen and Jesus was the 7th, and the world will still not marry a Jew.


Those first Gentiles of the first Gentile church, they married a Jew, but that is not true with modern Christianity.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:13 AM
 
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I have heard this expression many times.
The dictionary tells us it is an euphemism for "God".
OK, what is euphemism? The use of a word or phrase to replace another with one that is considered less offensive, blunt or vulgar than the word or phrase which it replaces.
I cannot see how "God" can be "offensive, blunt or vulgar".
Why do people still use "Gosh"? Did it come from the famous Political Correctness?
G-d is a title, not His Name...
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:24 AM
 
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No, I get HesysMaryAndJoseph.

What is the H in Jesus H Christ.

Maybe it's obvious, but I'm missing it.
The H stands for Harold, as in, “Our Father, who art in heaven, Harold be thy name” (snort). - https://www.straightdope.com/columns...esus-h-christ/
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:27 AM
 
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Islam is just a spin off of Christianity, and Christianity is just a spin off of the religion of the ten tribes.


Christianity began with Passover ,Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Then Christianity went back to the same religion of the ten tribes, then comes Islam. Islam began in Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles, but the Jews wouldn't accept Mohammed, and so Mohammed created his own holy days just as Christianity had done. Christianity practices hundreds of Years of Anti-Semitism, and Islam just came to follow their lead. Christianity, and Islam are both knockoffs of the religion of the ten tribes, and both of these claim the land of Joseph, both have the same holy days in common, Muslims don't mind keeping Easter or Christmas because Christianity and Islam are the same religion stemming from the same people, the religion of the ten lost tribes, the religion that killed the ten lost tribes.


Both are against Judah while both claim to be the seed of God while both reject the worship system of the Jewish Messiah.


Neither one practices the religion of a Jewish Messiah and both are against the commandments of God, Islam and Christianity are sister religions that both practice persecution against anyone who keeps the religion of a Jewish Messiah.


You only claim to be in a covenant under Messiah when you are not, and anyone who can read, they can read the written covenant and come to the conclusion that you are neither Ephraim or Judah that Messiah brings the covenant to.
Ya just had to get him going, didn’t you, BF?...
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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my understanding of Islam is that Isa's appearance at the end is as sidekick or second in rank to the Mahdi to fight as an assistant to the Mahdi in battle. It is the Mahdi who is the "rightly guided one" "redeemer of Islam." It is the Mahdi, a righteous man from among the descendants of Muhamd who will "appear at the end of time, through whom Allah will set mankind’s affairs straight, and will fill the earth with fairness and justice just as it was filled with wrongdoing and oppression. His name will be the same as the name of the Prophet." Isa will be the vizier to the Mahdi, and follow the Mahdi in prayer as a subordinate. When Isa dies after 40 years he is buried next to Muhamd in Medina.

GoCar is the subject matter expert in Islam however, moreso than either you or I, let's hear from him and defer to his first hand knowledge.
Agreed.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Ya just had to get him going, didn’t you, BF?...
I know right, I think I was High on Tea and didn't know it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:24 PM
 
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my understanding of Islam is that Isa's appearance at the end is as sidekick or second in rank to the Mahdi to fight as an assistant to the Mahdi in battle. It is the Mahdi who is the "rightly guided one" "redeemer of Islam." It is the Mahdi, a righteous man from among the descendants of Muhamd who will "appear at the end of time, through whom Allah will set mankind’s affairs straight, and will fill the earth with fairness and justice just as it was filled with wrongdoing and oppression. His name will be the same as the name of the Prophet." Isa will be the vizier to the Mahdi and follow the Mahdi in prayer as a subordinate. When Isa dies after 40 years he is buried next to Muhamd in Medina.

GoCar is the subject matter expert in Islam however, moreso than either you or I, let's hear from him and defer to his first-hand knowledge.
Islam is the religious version of ultimate sibling rivalry. The descendants of Ishmael felt slighted at the pre-eminence of Christ as the descendant of Isaac and loved by God, so Muhammed started his own religion under Ishmael. Classic sibling rivalry writ large.
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