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If nothing else, you'll have a second life as a funky umbrella stand by someone's front door.
On-topic: This is an example of how we moderate believers operate. We do not really think that drilling holes in skulls releases evil spirits; on the other hand, if someone else has already done it, one might as well find a use for the product of the activity.
If nothing else, you'll have a second life as a funky umbrella stand by someone's front door.
On-topic: This is an example of how we moderate believers operate. We do not really think that drilling holes in skulls releases evil spirits; on the other hand, if someone else has already done it, one might as well find a use for the product of the activity.
Nobody is drilling holes in MY skull to release the evil spirits. I worked hard to get those evil spirits and nobody is going to take them away from me.
As to my next life, I am resolved to come back as a slop -bucket in a jail -cell especially reserved for Money grubbing televangelists and Fake-healers.
Which is why we (hellbound satanspawn) say that a secularist society is in everyone's interests - other than those religious groups who want to dominate society (make no mistake about this, the only ones who are going to benefit from defeating new atheism, rolling back irreligion and abolishing separation of church and sate are those who want to tell you what to believe, by Law). A secular-humanist society would allow ALL religious thought to exist and None to dominate the others. The 'which theological view shall we have ?)' question simply wouldn't arise.
Actually it was some Evul Baptist fundies who came up with the 'freedom of religion' thing; it was one of their founding platforms. humanism is also a 'religious' invention. Since a 'secular-humanist society' isn't going to 'cure' greed, envy, poverty, jealousy, or other human foibles, it will fare no better than Christianity already has in moderating behavior. It's just a cult, like any other belief system. No need to keep re-inventing the wheel when one already has the most highly evolved and inclusive one at hand.
Actually it was some Evul Baptist fundies who came up with the 'freedom of religion' thing; it was one of their founding platforms. humanism is also a 'religious' invention. Since a 'secular-humanist society' isn't going to 'cure' greed, envy, poverty, jealousy, or other human foibles, it will fare no better than Christianity already has in moderating behavior. It's just a cult, like any other belief system. No need to keep re-inventing the wheel when one already has the most highly evolved and inclusive one at hand.
Is that a fact? It's an example of a phrase or slogan that can work in various ways. Of course atheism escapes by simply saying 'No, they are mistaken in saying that we are just another false religion'. We are really advocating the society now except in a few places where religious law has replaced secular. The 'freedom of religion' means that all can exist but none can dominate. The slogan is a killer for them. But the hard part is getting the message over to a world sold the evil Atheist story for 2,000 years. Never with a voice of our own -until the last 40 -odd years. since and really only a Loud voice over the that three or four.
And more - the way we come across in places like this. If being harshly critical and mocking about religion harms our image, the way the Christian side, frankly comes across is much, much worse. That will be noticed.
I'll tell you what shocks me most and did as soon as I began debate - the dishonesty. They really don;t seem to care whether what they say is true or not so long as they can win. The truth doesn't seem to matter - just being able to end up pretending they won, or at least refusing to admit they lost.
The ignorance isn't too impressive either. Sometimes they don't seem to know their own Bible, though often a lot of them do - in a dogmatically limited way
And the hostile attitude towards science, while often using it as an authority for their views is not very edifying. I think they come across looking worse than we baby -eating Bahomet -worshippers do.
Actually it was some Evul Baptist fundies who came up with the 'freedom of religion' thing; it was one of their founding platforms. humanism is also a 'religious' invention. Since a 'secular-humanist society' isn't going to 'cure' greed, envy, poverty, jealousy, or other human foibles, it will fare no better than Christianity already has in moderating behavior. It's just a cult, like any other belief system. No need to keep re-inventing the wheel when one already has the most highly evolved and inclusive one at hand.
Once again, we have an example of someone being just ... colossally, monumentally wrong.
I mean, this is SO wrong that it's starting to come back around to being right ... somehow.
Like those little dogs that are so ugly they're ... somehow cute.
No one is saying a secular-humanist society would cure all of humanity's foibles so thanks for that strawman. I'll be sure to use it the next time a remake of Wizard of Oz has an audition call for the part of the Scarecrow.
I honestly don't even feel like listing all the reasons why I think you're wrong but I thought I would just say you are.
*shrug* Winning a debate by simply saying things without proof or examples seems to work for the believers, right?
And it's not a cult. Do you even understand what the requirements for something to be a cult actually are? Things like -- having a charismatic leader, its members are isolated from the rest of the world, its members are usually dependent on the cult for basic survival, they are brainwashed into the doctrines and dogmas of the cult ... and four or five or six more requirements.
Gee right, because everywhere you look there are secular-humanist compounds and communes as well as secular-humanist anti-government militias and secular-humanist doomsday survival groups, right? TONS of those around. And how many secular-humanist cults have you heard about lately - or ever - that all committed suicide for some stupid culty reason or engaged in an act of terrorism for some equally stupid culty reason?
Riiiiggght, because it's not a cult.
See what I mean about being wrong?
And that was just one sentence I plucked out at random. Otherwise I'd have to write another one of my long posts thoroughly debunking what you said -- but damn, it's 2am here and I just don't feel like it.
Actually it was some Evul Baptist fundies who came up with the 'freedom of religion' thing; it was one of their founding platforms.
Precisely. They knew religious persecution was bad.
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humanism is also a 'religious' invention.
So was evolution, Bayes theorem, the big Bang, usw. But they were not invented because of those religious beliefs.
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Since a 'secular-humanist society' isn't going to 'cure' greed, envy, poverty, jealousy, or other human foibles, it will fare no better than Christianity already has in moderating behavior.
But think of the benefits it should provide that Christianity can not.
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It's just a cult, like any other belief system.
Cults do not have different belief systems. You may need to learn what a cult is.
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No need to keep re-inventing the wheel when one already has the most highly evolved and inclusive one at hand.
We are not reinventing the wheel. We are just making sure ours do not have corners.
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Nobody is drilling holes in MY skull to release the evil spirits. I worked hard to get those evil spirits and nobody is going to take them away from me. 
?)' question simply wouldn't arise.
My big sis could have told me that for free.
