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Hutterites are as close to perfect communism as there has ever been and are solely a Christian group.
As far as totalitarian dictators killing others, they did not kill believers because they were believers, the killed all those they thought were dangerous to their power. How many millions of Muslims were killed by armies led by Christians in the last 20 years? How many aboriginal people were killed by Christians in the Americas and Australia? How many of his own people did the Shah kill, or the Ottoman empire or Americans fighting each other over the right to own people as oroperty?
If you are looking at morals of atheists compared to Christians it is best to do on a personal basis rather than a nation base because there are so many other factors to consider. Many communists died fighting fascist, in fact in WWII more communists than Christians died fighting Hitler.
I don't rape, murder or steal. I don't do illegal drugs and drink about one drink every three months. I have had pre material sex and have been married for over 40 years to the woman with whom I had the most pre married sex. I have never abused either an animal or a child and have never struck my wife or any other woman.
I know I am not perfect but I never claimed to be. Trying to be perfect is the recipe for failure. Hence I never claim to be a sinner. I think I am a good person what I have done wrong is on me not some 6000 year old woman and I don't expect someone who died 2000 years old to take my responsibilities away.
I think it was Matt Delahunty who said that we should strive for a fair society, one that we design not knowing what position we will occupy. Love respect, compassion, understanding, empathy are all within us. If we can use those in making our decisions about life we will be more moral than not by a long ways. That way we would see nothing wrong with a person believing in a God, or not, in a different God or not and in too adults having a cake to celebrate their lifetime commitment. Also we would then not be facists, white supremists, bigots, misnomist, rapists or animal abusers.
So are you trying some daft meme way to try paint all Christians as Nazis or something?
I didn't see it that way at all, but certainly most alt-right extremists profess to be fundamentalist christians. I haven't seen any that profess to be be Jews, Muslims or Sikhs.
Why are there so many evangelical christians---aka bible readers--in prison and committing atrocities?
What you won’t hear in history class is that Hitler wasn’t just out to eliminate the Jews: he wanted to get rid of Christianity as well.
Hitler Youth leader Baldur von Schirach said, “The destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the national socialist movement.”
He ultimately supported the idea of a religion that had one God - Hitler.
As Hitler grew more powerful, his religious tolerance disappeared, and he tried to replace Christianity with a new “Reich Church,” a religion in which there was no god but Hitler.
“I think after a while, Hitler begins to believe in Hitler,” says Dr. Anthony Santoro, a history professor at Christopher Newport University.
Can there be morality without God? What is the basis of "atheist morality"?
Morality requires the existence of a reason or purpose for our very existence. Theists generally believe there is a "purpose-giver" (God). Atheists generally assume our existence as a default and generalize self-determined purposes consistent with our survival drive and evolutionary forces. Since our existence is central to either view of morality, there is little to dispute. Whatever is beneficial to the continued existence and well-being of everyone is moral. Whatever threatens the continued existence and well-being of everyone is immoral. As the atheist Sam Harris sees it, morality seeks to find the peaks of human well-being in the moral landscape.
Rather than declare that the Fascists were atheists in an attempt to dissociate them From Christianity, and that the leader and founder of the Fascist party, Adolf Hitler, had no belief in God, let's consider what Hitler actually said.
Right. It "gave me the clue" that, as Hulsker noted, "how the world operates", is just how I said it did.
If you think otherwise, and that that the world doesn't operate like that (absent a "moral code" of some type, morality is relative and based upon preference and cultural precedence)...then put up your argument.
Well now, let's compare "how you said" with a couple of key points from Hulsker:
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Originally Posted by GldnRule
Absent some "objective moral code" (from religion, or whereever) there is just personal opinion and/or consensus.
How could there be anything else?
And personal morality can be self serving, just based upon survival, or desire. Many times it is cultural.
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Originally Posted by Hulsker
This is not to say that atheists do not have morality. Most of them do, and mostly it's the same morality most Christians have, which is not based in the Bible but rather is based on a common set of conventions designed to make society function and prosper....
And why do we do this? Because we're social creatures. We have been since we were Australopithecines and even before that. Evolution selects for empathy. It enhances the chances of survival for individuals organisms in social communities both directly and as well as that of their genetic legacy by increasing the chances that their progeny will survive.
The only way you can even hint that it is the way you say would be to say, "well, ok, that's the 'objective morality' from somewhere." Your "personal opinion and concensus" Are nothing like the way Hulsker said the world operates.
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Can there be morality without God? What is the basis of "atheist morality"?
