Mind and Matter (principle, Einstein, education, demon)
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Now all you have to do is explain what quarks are made of.
Quarks might be a fundamental particle. In other words, quarks might be made up of quarks. Or not. Maybe they are made up of sub-quarks, or sub-sub-quarks.
It is of no significant concern. Ultimately, we know matter exists, and we know information is a way of measuring, quantifying and describing matter. We know that this is directly related to reality, and your description is not.
Would you care to try and show us how your description more completely and effectively describes the universe in a verifiable, falsifiable manner?
Quarks might be a fundamental particle. In other words, quarks might be made up of quarks. Or not. Maybe they are made up of sub-quarks, or sub-sub-quarks.
It is of no significant concern. Ultimately, we know matter exists, and we know information is a way of measuring, quantifying and describing matter. We know that this is directly related to reality, and your description is not.
Would you care to try and show us how your description more completely and effectively describes the universe in a verifiable, falsifiable manner?
You think it is not important to know what matter is, when you say you believe everything is matter.
I don't try to describe the universe completely and effectively, because no one can do that. You think you can.
Quarks are energetic vibrating bits variously described as closed loops or open ended strings. In much the same way that light can be described as both discrete particles and waves.
What are those energetic vibrating bits vibrating in?
You think it is not important to know what matter is, when you say you believe everything is matter.
I don't try to describe the universe completely and effectively, because no one can do that. You think you can.
Ok. So you deny that you, me, and the chairs we are sitting on, the food we eat, and the clothing we wear are made of matter. What are they made if?
As to your second sentence, do you really think it reasonable to make a positive assertion about the universe, then refuse to defend it?
It seems to me that you are saying that you know what the universe is like, but refuse to support it, but because I can only answer 19 of 20 levels of “why is the sky blue?” I am wrong.
You are still missing the point. If I may posit an analogy, you are like someone arguing that car engines are driven by invisible gnomes. We explain how an engine works, and you say that combustion drives the engine, sure, you're not denying that, but we can't explain combustion. We then explain how the molecular reaction of fossil fuel, air and sparks causes a power -producing reaction, and you say that we don't know what molecules are, and when we explain, you say we don't know what particles are, and so on (1).
Which is another proposition you advance on faith, with no supporting evidence, or even a proposal as to what the characteristics of such a filed might be.
You think it is not important to know what matter is, when you say you believe everything is matter.
I don't try to describe the universe completely and effectively, because no one can do that. You think you can.
Yes, it's quite important, in an academic way. It is not in the least bit important in making a case for a cosmic consciousness, because it is an Unknown, not known evidence for a god.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Do you recall someone else that used to do that!
I know a couple of people who do it now
In fact this is the sortagoddist argument. When they can't rely on the Bible anymore as 'evidence'. They try to do it from ID arguments. And as we see, that seems to rely on ignoring everything we do know (which demonstrably does not need a god) and try to find something we don't know, and pretend a god MUST be lurking in there. I don't know how these people can't see what a crap argument that is.
Or rather, I can. I know very well. They have Faith that a god exists and think that what atheism has to do is explain and prove absolutely everything that happens or ever happened and only then can we say "We Know that no God exists". So of course, they only have to find something we can't explain, and they think that validates Faith in a Sorta "God". This isn't the argument at all and is wrong logically and evidentially.
Last edited by TRANSPONDER; 10-20-2018 at 08:06 AM..
Reason: 'logically', not 'locally'.
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