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We all are given a conscience, some enhance it some dull it, some a little of both.
Conscience is a spiritual aspect, it is unseen, intangeable, yet Atheists and Believers are aware of it.
To me this Conscience is the light of Christ. It is our annointing of reason and understanding. All people have been given it. The light of Christ is given to all that come to earth.
To deny it, leaves a hole in us... We can deny it, yet still use it... It is part of us, until we choose to completely reject it.
If you've met someone that rejects this part of us, it is not a pretty sight, there is confusion, emptiness, and a lack of core happiness, usually only moments of sensory fun, which can be prodded through a variety of immoral acts. Theft, rape, intoxications, lies, murders etc...
The Churches say in order to be a believer you must say a magic prayer and accept Jesus into your heart. I've never read that in any scripture. As i have witness the magic prayer Christians act and be no different than non believers.
The prayer was indeed lip service. And the hypocrisy has given rise to intellegent people not following the pattern that self professed believers take.
To some up, words and labels have meaning and power when there is a consensus of meaning, but when we water them down and change the meanings it becomes necessary to look only at the fruit of ones words and actions. That is where the reality of belief presents itself. Actions, emotions, and Fruit.
For by their fruits ye shall know them, not their words.
We all are given a conscience, some enhance it some dull it, some a little of both.
It is your assumption that there is some deity who GAVE us conscience, as for dulling it or what ever, I ASSUME you mean with regards to religion.
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Conscience is a spiritual aspect, it is unseen, intangeable, yet Atheists and Believers are aware of it
We are AWARE and that is all. There is not magical supernatural aspect to being AWARE, it is how we have evolved and to survive we need to be aware of ourselves and our environment and place in it.
You do not think that being self aware is proof of some deity I hope. It is merely a product of the evolutionary process.
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If you've met someone that rejects this part of us, it is not a pretty sight, there is confusion, emptiness, and a lack of core happiness, usually only moments of sensory fun, which can be prodded through a variety of immoral acts. Theft, rape, intoxications, lies, murders etc...
This could not be more wrong, you dont mean rejecting the conscience you mean rejecting the notion that it was some divine gift. And before you go laying out claims that denying a deity leads to criminal activity, know that it is the RELIGIOUS filling up our prisons, not the atheist.
This such an old christian argument, that with out god you cant have morality (which is subjective anyways) yet it tends to be that the majority of the people doing the things you listed are some kind of theist.
Reality does not live up to your idea here.
Oh I am still waiting on your evidence for;
1. Jesus walking on water
2. Jesus walking through walls
3. Jesus raising dead people
It is your assumption that there is some deity who GAVE us conscience, as for dulling it or what ever, I ASSUME you mean with regards to religion.
It is my belief and it has been confirmed to me, i don't assume that you believe it literally, although you may follow some principle attitudes that fit in with my belief. As in we both breathe, eat, think, etc. we may credit this to different scenarios.
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We are AWARE and that is all. There is not magical supernatural aspect to being AWARE, it is how we have evolved and to survive we need to be aware of ourselves and our environment and place in it.
Is it not odd that only one evolving specie, of the thousands of different specie, are self aware to the degree that Man is aware.
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You do not think that being self aware is proof of some deity I hope. It is merely a product of the evolutionary process.
Self awareness led me personally to believe, i don't assume all have the same proof. All have the ability to prove it for themselves.
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This could not be more wrong, you dont mean rejecting the conscience you mean rejecting the notion that it was some divine gift. And before you go laying out claims that denying a deity leads to criminal activity, know that it is the RELIGIOUS filling up our prisons, not the atheist.
We can reject conscience and it has nothing to do with religion, it is a choice. We all have examples of religious and non, rejecting the inner promptings to be or not be moral. Seeing as 80% are professed believers, i don't find it odd that the prisons have a majority of professed believers. The i'm saved and it don't matter what i do, is a plague projected by organized religion, it is not acceptable to righteous living.
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This such an old christian argument, that with out god you cant have morality (which is subjective anyways) yet it tends to be that the majority of the people doing the things you listed are some kind of theist.
That's not what i said, Whether we acknowledge where it is coming from or not, we are operating in His system, due to the conscience being present to prompt our knowledge of right and wrong. Evolution cannot possibly explain conscience, as it deals in tangible physical evidence only.
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Reality does not live up to your idea here.
My reality is one of asking and receiving, seeking and finding... no one can dismiss the proof that has transpired in my life. Its a beautiful thing to know, and allow the light of Christ to guide and instruct. It is the unseen that has the most power in our intellect whether we define it or not, it is ever present.
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Oh I am still waiting on your evidence for;
1. Jesus walking on water
2. Jesus walking through walls
3. Jesus raising dead people
Ask Him. These are not the greatest things he did, the greatest gift to us was his life giving pattern of overcoming that we might do these things and more.
Christians fill up the prisions??? I'm sorry, but if you say your a Christian and you commit crimes etc, your really not a Christian, you FAKE! You obviously have no idea what it means to be Christian. That's the problem with religion today, there are so many people that say there Christians and yet live completley different lives than what's expected. Your FAKE, a false convert! You ruin it for the rest!
Proof of Jesus walking on water??? Bible resorts to eye witness accounts, but first you have to believe it. I'm still waiting for proof that something slithered out of the water and grew hands and legs an became man. Do we have an eye witness accounts for this event documented anywhere? Do you see how rediculious the questioning can get.
If you understand and believe what you read in the Bible, it's impossible for you to do things that go against what it says. If you do, you don't understand it.
It proves how much He loves us and want's us to be with him. If you understand some basic rules you'll live a fruitful enjoyable life the way the Lord wants you too. Not how man wants to. The rules in the Bible are there so we understand what's expected of us in order to have everlasting life. But before you can start with the bible you must first care about eternity, if you believe there's a Heaven and Hell then the Bible makes perfect sense.
I've seen it used before as a last resort when talking with someone, but play the What if game. If there isn't a God then nothing happens we just fade away, gone. But if there is a God, then those who believe will have everlasting life, no more pain, saddness etc. While those who choose not... well, from what I understand it's always Hot down there and very painful.
But again, you must humble yourself before the Lord, loose this pride thing, repent and trust in the savior.
The mormon missionary tells me to pray that the book of mormon is true, and the Lord will "confirm" it with a feeling in my gut.
It is easy to assume something, then through that assumption force the world to fit your presumed reality. You believe god is real so you see god everywhere, not because he is there. But that you WANT him to be there.
Every mormon, muslim, hindu, buhdist, shinto or what ever says their beliefs are 'confirmed' to them.
Sorry, but goose bumps and fuzzy feelings are not true confirmation of a fact.
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Is it not odd that only one evolving specie, of the thousands of different specie, are self aware to the degree that Man is aware.
Nope not odd at all, in the many millions of years this universe has been around we simply do not know what others species have evolved to our 'level' of self awareness, for all we know none or millions.
I do not find this a compelling argument at all, that since we seem so different that there must be a god who made us.
It is what is what it is, and who knows when humans are all gone, what comes next.
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All have the ability to prove it for themselves.
What ever It is ... so you are saying that reality is subjective and not objective, so what is true for me is equally as true as what you believe to be true. No matter how contradictory our beliefs are one to another.
So, I can believe the sun is really a very cold place with lots of ice, and that would an equal truth, to the truth of the one who believes it is very hot.
Or, the muslim who says Allah is the true god and jesus was just a man, is as right as you are in saying jesus was more then a man and the savior of the world. Or what ever pointless religious dogma you hold.
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Seeing as 80% are professed believers, i don't find it odd that the prisons have a majority of professed believers.
Christians always miss the point. The ratio of christians or believers in and out of the prison is the same. While the ratio of atheist in prison drops dramatically to those in prison.
By percentage a christian is more likely to commit these so called immoral acts, then an atheist, and end up in prison.
And come back again ! That is another thing you all seem to miss, that these folks are typically on their second or third trip back.
So, the bottom line is that christians are more likely to rape and murder then an atheist.
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Ask Him. These are not the greatest things he did, the greatest gift to us was his life giving pattern of overcoming that we might do these things and more.
Ok tell me his address and I will go to his house and ask him.
Get real, what a cop out. Typical christian BS, ask him. LOL
I am asking if you believe this dude did this stuff, and if so then how can you prove it, what extra biblical REAL evidence do you have?
No, you cant provide evidence for these idiotic claims of the bible, so you resort to saying "ask him"
LOL yea, give me his address
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