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dcisive's post above:An element to answer some part of the question posed by OP. There are some egregious religious jingoists who tend to evoke both disgust and prejudice. Probably only exceeded by those Christians who condemn Jews to Hell for not accepting Jesus.
I'm sorry to say Shaul (Paul) nailed it when he said "Gentiles are Lost, Undone and WITHOUT YHWH". They either join and become one with Israel or they are OUTSIDE the camp of Israel, and you DON"T want to be outside the camp of Israel......not if you want eternal life and be a part of the promise
I don't doubt that you are right (after all if Gentiles were not 'lost', Paul would have nothing to sell them) but a ref. would be handy. Biblequotes do sometimes turn out to be paraphrases rather than quotes.
"Quod erat demonstrandum" if memory serves. Tzaphkiel had a question and Mystic pointed to you as an example, and then you provided a quote to show that what he was saying is true...qed.
Probably not in proverbs: "Man, do not in kindness offer a scrap of food to a dog, as it will likely snap your fingers off."
You are very confused old son. There may be Jews today who do not claim to be Israelites (converts, for instance) or may regard Samaritans as Israelites but not Jews. But that has nothing to do with Saul/Paul who was both a Jew and an Israelite (and nobody but you would say otherwise, I believe) and nothing to do with what I was saying.
Neither is Romans anything to do with what i was saying. I agree that it sounds like it is aimed at Gentiles, but there is no reason why it couldn't aimed at Jews, too. Can you deny that he hopes to make Jews accept his preaching? Why shouldn't he want to do that with Roman Jews as well?
Your confusion is evident in raising what Bible experts say. Do you think that I, with my own whacky pet theory care what the so called Experts say? You are not only wrong about what you are arguing but you are wrong in the way you go about arguing.
Have another nice day.
Sorry - the same nice day.
Paul is explaining how he is one of 7000 Israelis living amongst Jews as a Jew, he is speaking of his own adoption into Judah and that is the whole point of Romans. Paul's people were the ten tribes of Israel, not Judah, he is telling us this.
Paul speaks of the 7000 of Israel, not Judah, he speaks of the promise to Israel, not Judah.
If you don't know Paul is speaking of a different people, how can anyone understand?
These misunderstandings bring about anti Semitism because it appears that Paul is showing Jews as fallen when he is speaking about a completely different people in a completely different religion, and if you get this wrong, you get all of it wrong.......
How can people look at the acts of one nation to then put them on the head of a completely different people?
If I speak of the people of Babylon, and you assume I am speaking of the people of Egypt, how can you understand?
These same misunderstandings are throughout the New Testament where everyone believes it is speaking of Jews when it is not, and it appears that the New Testament is damning Jews when it isn't even speaking of Jews.
Romans 9 is laying out the foundation of how Gentiles are grafted into Israel, and if you don't know the difference between Israel and Judah, the average Christian thinks he is replacing Judah, and thus, against Jews.
Paul is explaining how he is one of 7000 Israelis living amongst Jews as a Jew, he is speaking of his own adoption into Judah and that is the whole point of Romans. Paul's people were the ten tribes of Israel, not Judah, he is telling us this.
Paul speaks of the 7000 of Israel, not Judah, he speaks of the promise to Israel, not Judah.
If you don't know Paul is speaking of a different people, how can anyone understand?
These misunderstandings bring about anti Semitism because it appears that Paul is showing Jews as fallen when he is speaking about a completely different people in a completely different religion, and if you get this wrong, you get all of it wrong.......
How can people look at the acts of one nation to then put them on the head of a completely different people?
If I speak of the people of Babylon, and you assume I am speaking of the people of Egypt, how can you understand?
These same misunderstandings are throughout the New Testament where everyone believes it is speaking of Jews when it is not, and it appears that the New Testament is damning Jews when it isn't even speaking of Jews.
Romans 9 is laying out the foundation of how Gentiles are grafted into Israel, and if you don't know the difference between Israel and Judah, the average Christian thinks he is replacing Judah, and thus, against Jews.
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