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Old 11-15-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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And why would we even consider that?
Because we think beyond "hungry...eat", "cold...blanket", etc. We want to know why.
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Old 11-15-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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Or maybe that yearning was put there by our creator.
If it was, it is curious that the churches that purport to Honor His Will so often regard the results of answering the questions that 'yearning' raises (by science) with distrust, dislike and often, denial.
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And why would we even consider that?
Because we are aware. We are a pack animal, so we have an instinct of social position and individuality. We (like all critters) have an evolved desire to survive and avoid death. We have an advanced problem -solving ability. And we have what I also think is an evolved survival instinct - curiosity. I argue that all these things combine to give us a big question as to the value of humans, as a species, as groups and as individuals.

I became aware as a schoolboy of the artificiality of patriotism. A group of friends went to a different school, were put in different 'Houses' and in a few months had become enemies, pretty much. I see the same thing with people who are the same, in culture, language, religion, even food. And because someone drew a line across a map there they are, shaking banners and sabres at one another. Idiocy.

This isn't put into our heads by a God, it is put into our heads by evolution. It's the same with the question of existence, art and culture and indeed the instinct to religion.

I don't worship Darwin, but perhaps you should.

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Old 11-15-2018, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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If there were some sort of crisis scenario, requiring you to sacrifice your life to save your child's life or to sacrifice your child's life to save your own, which would you choose?
What the heck kind of question is that?

I would hope it would be the former, but one never knows what one would do until one is in a specific situation. If my child were attempting to kill me, it could conceivably be the latter, no?
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:06 PM
 
Location: USA
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Yes, people who obsess about those sorts of things all day though they say it's not relevant to them.
I'm retired and home recovering from a stroke, with nothing better to do. What's your excuse?
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:09 PM
 
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I'm retired and home recovering from a stroke, with nothing better to do. What's your excuse?
Illness as well. I hope you get better soon.
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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In physics, a state of matter is one of the distinct forms in which matter can exist. Four states of matter are observable in everyday life: solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. Wikipedia
Existed in some "way" or another, then, if I was misunderstood...
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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Illness as well. I hope you get better soon.
The stroke happened in March. I have recovered to some degree, but I still have some weakness in my left arm and leg. This is what I get for turning 70.

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Old 11-15-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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I don't worship Darwin, but perhaps you should.
Are you trying to say that "these lowly people need religion to simplify things for them," then?
I suppose that is what Nationalism also does to them, it simplifies their understanding to their own detriment.
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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Yes, people who obsess about those sorts of things all day though they say it's not relevant to them.
How odd, I obsess over magic fiction and sci-fi. I suppose if there were big groups of such trying to push forward their agenda's and oppressing me, I might feel prone to do something about it (learn about the enemy, try to help the enemy see the right way). Adults are extremely stubborn though, I suppose after a certain amount of time, they just don't care if there was an error, they've already invested so much.
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:29 PM
 
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You do remember what assuming does to you and me... right? After all we are talking about a book written by ancient ignorant superstitious people, our ancient ignorant superstitious ancestors, and current people who also happen to believe that ghosts and demons are real. Know anyone like that?
They contradict each other in proportion and investment. I don't value their factioning.
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