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Old 11-16-2018, 05:08 AM
 
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Genesis says otherwise.
Personal responsibility and all.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Germany
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So, the origin of life is not known and you admit a creator is at least a possibility. Yet, you disparage those of us who believe in a creator.
We have plenty of evidence life began naturally. We just do not know the precise details.

We have no good evidence a god did it.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Yes, we know you didnít see it but why you stopped at biochemical sloshing in a warm sea? Why not keep on going and going till you find the beginning and what started it all?
Physics -> universe -> chemistry -> life.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:11 AM
 
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It is beyond human understanding and always will be. What makes you think that primates could possibly understand these things, or could even begin to speculate?
So we can not make any claims about a god at all? Then once again, logically we have no reason to believe.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:17 AM
 
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We have plenty of evidence life began naturally. We just do not know the precise details.

We have no good evidence a god did it.
It all seems organic until will reach Chromosome II.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:21 AM
 
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I believe that was Arach's point. Bridges usually do not collapse, so it is probable the next one you cross will also remain intact.

That is faith based on evidence and not blind faith.
So, there's '0' probability for a/any Higher Power(s)?
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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It is beyond human understanding and always will be. What makes you think that primates could possibly understand these things, or could even begin to speculate?
God created free willed immortal angels with understanding, right OZ?

Then god created inferior, fallible mortal humans. Thatís intelligent design right there.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:30 AM
 
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God created free willed immortal angels with understanding, right OZ?

Then god created inferior, fallible mortal humans. Thatís intelligent design right there.
That's also dependent on one's view of chromosome II.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:31 AM
 
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How do you know whether or not a bridge is going to collapse as you cross it?
levels of faith. I don't do blind faith.

I have faith that our system for building bridges works. i have faith that how I see the universe working is more valid than "deny everything". My understanding of science help us produce cell phones. "Deny anything and everything because of how I feel about religion" produced nothing.

In fact, "deny everything" and "blind faith in dude died, woke up, and flew away" get to take the easy way out. they are cop outs. and "bash everything I don't agree with" is just mean.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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I havenít seen any evidence that has shaken my belief in a creator. All Iíve seen is that science explains what has happened since the Big Bang. I do not disagree with that. What I havenít seen is another logical option for how life began.
jimmie, its not if the universe was created or not. Its about how and what created it. Then listing those options to see what one is the most reasonable.

for example:

from nothing
build on a hierarchy of structure from less complex to more complex.
some omni thing went "poof there it is."
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