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Old 11-16-2018, 06:44 AM
 
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levels of faith. I don't do blind faith.

I have faith that our system for building bridges works. i have faith that how I see the universe working is more valid than "deny everything". My understanding of science help us produce cell phones. "Deny anything and everything because of how I feel about religion" produced nothing.

In fact, "deny everything" and "blind faith in dude died, woke up, and flew away" get to take the easy way out. they are cop outs. and "bash everything I don't agree with" is just mean.
The universe is chemistry. How can one understand the universe without understanding the element table? ...which contains unknown elements; "we know they must be there because of how they behave with other known elements".
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:00 AM
 
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That's also dependent on one's view of chromosome II.
And your view is?
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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So, there's '0' probability for a/any Higher Power(s)?

Depends on your definition of a higher power, but it is as close to 0 for an all knowing god who created the universe.


Now something like the Vorlons ...
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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And your view is?
Honestly, I haven't viewed it under a microscope.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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And your view is?

... dangerous in the Religion and Spirituality section.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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... dangerous in the Religion and Spirituality section.
To who?
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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from even simpler forms. And simpler and simpler ones until we are looking ar biochemicals sloshing about in a warm Archeon sea until one of them replicated. No. I didn't see it happen, and it probably won't show up in the fossil record. But given what we know about the early earth, that life first appeared in the sea and took a couple of billion years to appear on land, the biochemical building blocks of RNA and the fossil record of single cells, it makes a pretty good story.

What does creation have? No mechanism, just magic.



Yes, because not knowing means that claiming that you have faith in one of the possibilities (aside there is no decent evidence for it) is not a rational position. This is logic for kindergarten. If that seems disparaging, that's tough, because that's the way it is.

If you want to say you have Faith - fine. Just don't disparage those who don't.
If you want to say that you have Faith - fine; just don't say that you have logic and science on your side.
If you want to have faith and say that logic and science is mere human opinion - fine; just don't try to argue logic or science, ever again.
So, science still can’t tell us how life began. Why you think a creator is “magic”, I do not understand. But, at this point, the only logical conclusion is a creator, of some sort. I don’t need faith to understand that.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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One might ask whether God is a living entity. If so, what logical option would you propose for the beginning of this life?
Are you proposing infinite causation? This ^^^ is a weak argument. The creator of anything is always greater than the created. It is entirely possible that the creator has always existed or exists outside of time as we know it. Some believe the universe may have always existed. Why is it considered a leap to believe the same about a creator?
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Perhaps many simply believe there exists a higher being. But without any evidence, mathematics and logic show they are most likely wrong.
A creator/mover is the only logical conclusion, at this point. Science cannot tell us how life began.
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Old 11-16-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Arguing with a fundie is akin to arguing with a doorknob. Except doorknobs have a better grasp of reality.
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