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No. The repeated evidence of what you do (or fail to do) makes it so, despite your denial. Am I going to have to do a 'Mystic' on you and ask everyone to note when you get debunked otherwise you'll simply deny it?
I haven’t seen any evidence that has shaken my belief in a creator. All I’ve seen is that science explains what has happened since the Big Bang. I do not disagree with that. What I haven’t seen is another logical option for how life began.
I haven’t seen any evidence that has shaken my belief in a creator. All I’ve seen is that science explains what has happened since the Big Bang. I do not disagree with that. What I haven’t seen is another logical option for how life began.
And so you've decided it must be the god-thing(s) as described in your favourite collection of old Christian pamphlets.
I haven’t seen any evidence that has shaken my belief in a creator. All I’ve seen is that science explains what has happened since the Big Bang. I do not disagree with that. What I haven’t seen is another logical option for how life began.
Then you can't have been paying much attention as several hypothetical mechanisms for the start of life (and even a semi -hypothesis for the something -from -nothing universe) have been put, as compared to nothing other than wand -waving from the theist side.
That depends whether the egg was a chicken egg or an almost -a -chicken -egg. Think it through again.
But we do have evidence - positive and negative. We have evidence that life was an evolutionary progression from some simple forms to a myriad of complex ones. We also have negative evidence in that no creator other than natural processes is needed for any of them. That same applies to cosmic evolution. I don't deny that the origins of the Universe, Life and Everything are not known, but the evidence is not in favour of an Intelligent Creator and it is in favour of natural processes. Take Faith out of the equation and the logical position of "The god -claim really has nothing going for it" is inevitable.
It is false to claim that it's "Faith" on both sides. Your Understanding is flawed.
That depends whether the egg was a chicken egg or an almost -a -chicken -egg. Think it through again.
But we do have evidence - positive and negative. We have evidence that life was an evolutionary progression from some simple forms to a myriad of complex ones. We also have negative evidence in that no creator other than natural processes is needed for any of them. That same applies to cosmic evolution. I don't deny that the origins of the Universe, Life and Everything are not known, but the evidence is not in favour of an Intelligent Creator and it is in favour of natural processes. Take Faith out of the equation and the logical position of "The god -claim really has nothing going for it" is inevitable.
It is false to claim that it's "Faith" on both sides. Your Understanding is flawed.
So, the origin of life is not known and you admit a creator is at least a possibility. Yet, you disparage those of us who believe in a creator.
from even simpler forms. And simpler and simpler ones until we are looking ar biochemicals sloshing about in a warm Archeon sea until one of them replicated. No. I didn't see it happen, and it probably won't show up in the fossil record. But given what we know about the early earth, that life first appeared in the sea and took a couple of billion years to appear on land, the biochemical building blocks of RNA and the fossil record of single cells, it makes a pretty good story.
What does creation have? No mechanism, just magic.
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So, the origin of life is not known and you admit a creator is at least a possibility. Yet, you disparage those of us who believe in a creator.
Yes, because not knowing means that claiming that you have faith in one of the possibilities (aside there is no decent evidence for it) is not a rational position. This is logic for kindergarten. If that seems disparaging, that's tough, because that's the way it is.
If you want to say you have Faith - fine. Just don't disparage those who don't.
If you want to say that you have Faith - fine; just don't say that you have logic and science on your side.
If you want to have faith and say that logic and science is mere human opinion - fine; just don't try to argue logic or science, ever again.
from even simpler forms. And simpler and simpler ones until we are looking ar biochemicals sloshing about in a warm Archeon sea until one of them replicated. No. I didn't see it happen
Yes, we know you didn’t see it but why you stopped at biochemical sloshing in a warm sea? Why not keep on going and going till you find the beginning and what started it all?
I haven’t seen any evidence that has shaken my belief in a creator. All I’ve seen is that science explains what has happened since the Big Bang. I do not disagree with that. What I haven’t seen is another logical option for how life began.
One might ask whether God is a living entity. If so, what logical option would you propose for the beginning of this life?
One might ask whether God is a living entity. If so, what logical option would you propose for the beginning of this life?
It is beyond human understanding and always will be. What makes you think that primates could possibly understand these things, or could even begin to speculate?
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The repeated evidence of what you do (or fail to do) makes it so, despite your denial. Am I going to have to do a 'Mystic' on you and ask everyone to note when you get debunked otherwise you'll simply deny it?
