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SURE it does..why be concerned with the idea they are able to conceive unless one wants to participate is sex with children and not fear pregnancy?
At what age are males experiencing their first erection?
How is this a design flaw?
That is a good point...I had my first sexual experience at 13, many of my classmates at the time were also having theirs (this was back in the mid 80s too!)
So teenage pregnancy, MS, cancer, dementia, homosexuality are all good because God designed them and we shouldn't question them? I wonder if creating vaccines for smallpox or polio were evil events of humans going against God's design. Are hospitals and science research and education pointless because your God is perfect and way smarter than us?
Are their any instructions in your Holy Books as to what is the minimum age for marrage? If not then perhaps God intended girls to get married very young and our age of consent laws are signs of our ignorance and or immorality in creating them?
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Originally Posted by badlander
The way believers of the Bible work, is there is free will, if you choose good the credit is all God's, you choose bad it is all man's and if don't know which is good or bad the same rule applies.
Returning to one of your earlier posts, the age of consent in the various states have changed over the years and is still inconsistent through your country. The is little driving force to drive evolution to make it so that the age for the ability to conceive goes up or down depending on man made laws. How could evolution work to make it so a girl could not become pregnant until she was 16 in Montana or 17 in Texas or 18 in some other state. On top of that the girl could become pregnant under those ages it the father of her baby was less than 4 years older than her?
The age of consent is arbitrary not dependent on how evolution operates or what is written or not written in any Holy Books. Unless you can provide a quote from one of the Holy Books which states the age of being able to become pregnant various in different parts of the planet.
I seriously don't understand what are you trying to say?
Are you saying God's design has a flaw and you agree with OP? If yes, then you are not an Atheist anymore because you just believed in the existence God (but you found a flaw in his design)
Or, are you saying, God does not exist and young girls starting early menstruating is part of the human evolution - so there is nothing wrong in it. And so is the case with Cancer, dementia etc
In a nut shell,
A - It's flaw in design if God did it.
B - There is nothing wrong in it because that's part of human evolutionary process.
god could have easily made it that a woman would conceive when SHE WANTED to conceive, right GoCard?
So you want God to operate under your commands and under your wishes?
And you are who? And what's your worth?
You and I, can't stop farting a few times a day and we want God to be at our service.
You should be awarded with a noble prize of this type of advance thinking.
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15
Isn't that the definition of FREE WILL?
No. There is a difference in understanding between the Atheists and Theists when it comes to FREE WILL.
The fundamental part that FREE WILL plays in our lives is when God has sent his message towards us either through his prophets and/or through his Holy Books then it's up to us whether we want to examine the message and decide to believe or not believe - a choice based on *FREE WILL*.
God does not come down to earth and put a knife on your throat and ask you to believe in his existence.
There are millions of things in our lives where we don't have control over things and incidents. We are all handed over with whatever get handed over with. FREE WILL does not play any part in such incidents.
You are not making a mockery of the concept of "FREE WILL" but you are trying to make yourself a laughing stock when you are asked not to put your hand in fire - but you do it with your own will. Get your hand charred, and you start blaming it on the person who created the fire. Awesome !! Another noble please!
I seriously don't understand what are you trying to say?
Are you saying God's design has a flaw and you agree with OP? If yes, then you are not an Atheist anymore because you just believed in the existence God (but you found a flaw in his design)
Or, are you saying, God does not exist and young girls starting early menstruating is part of the human evolution - so there is nothing wrong in it. And so is the case with Cancer, dementia etc
In a nut shell,
A - It's flaw in design if God did it.
B - There is nothing wrong in it because that's part of human evolutionary process.
Which one is it?
A2. A1 is your version with a god that exists. A2 is the same argument with a fictional god who, if it actually existed, would not be good at designing things.
The fundamental part that FREE WILL plays in our lives is when God has sent his message towards us either through his prophets and/or through his Holy Books then it's up to us whether we want to examine the message and decide to believe or not believe - a choice based on *FREE WILL*.
Rubbish, it is not even a choice, it is looking at the evidence and finding it makes no sense. You do not choose to believe the sky looks blue.
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
God does not come down to earth and put a knife on your throat and ask you to believe in his existence.
But according to many, he will torture for all eternity.
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
You are not making a mockery of the concept of "FREE WILL" but you are trying to make yourself a laughing stock when you are asked not to put your hand in fire - but you do it with your own will. Get your hand charred, and you start blaming it on the person who created the fire. Awesome !! Another noble please!
No Nobel for you as your argument is not good. There is a difference between a fire and the alleged fruit as we know fires hurt. But the Genesis account has two people who do NOT know the outcome, and there are two beings giving a different story.
Your argument would work with a baby, unfortunately it refutes your position. You put a dangerous electric machine on the floor with a nice apple and tell the baby not to touch the apple or he will get shocked. And then a naughty boy comes along and says eat the apple. Who is at fault? Both the naughty boy and the person who put the machine on the floor in the first place.
So far, GoCardinal's arguments have been the usual. Man is to blame for what God did, Free Will is somehow an excuse, pushing the blame onto men when it really isn't, there is probably some good explanation even if isn't evident and models of what any worthwhile god would do it it existed supposedly means that we believe in a god.
Cardinals, mate, you have to do better than this. Though to be fair, no other Bible apologist has done much better.,
So you want God to operate under your commands and under your wishes?
And you are who? And what's your worth?
You and I, can't stop farting a few times a day and we want God to be at our service.
You should be awarded with a noble prize of this type of advance thinking.
No. There is a difference in understanding between the Atheists and Theists when it comes to FREE WILL.
The fundamental part that FREE WILL plays in our lives is when God has sent his message towards us either through his prophets and/or through his Holy Books then it's up to us whether we want to examine the message and decide to believe or not believe - a choice based on *FREE WILL*.
God does not come down to earth and put a knife on your throat and ask you to believe in his existence.
There are millions of things in our lives where we don't have control over things and incidents. We are all handed over with whatever get handed over with. FREE WILL does not play any part in such incidents.
You are not making a mockery of the concept of "FREE WILL" but you are trying to make yourself a laughing stock when you are asked not to put your hand in fire - but you do it with your own will. Get your hand charred, and you start blaming it on the person who created the fire. Awesome !! Another noble please!
"Free will"
god made humans knowing that they will "stab each other". It appears it could be no other way in our part of the universe.
I seriously don't understand what are you trying to say?
Are you saying God's design has a flaw and you agree with OP? If yes, then you are not an Atheist anymore because you just believed in the existence God (but you found a flaw in his design)
Or, are you saying, God does not exist and young girls starting early menstruating is part of the human evolution - so there is nothing wrong in it. And so is the case with Cancer, dementia etc
In a nut shell,
A - It's flaw in design if God did it.
B - There is nothing wrong in it because that's part of human evolutionary process.
Which one is it?
well actually, what I would be saying is that it appears that god created man through evolution.
"apologetics" is the most reasonable approach to theism. Basically, "apologetics" speaks to the notion that it is ok to change a belief based on what your god shows you.
SURE it does..why be concerned with the idea they are able to conceive unless one wants to participate is sex with children and not fear pregnancy?
At what age are males experiencing their first erection?
How is this a design flaw?
lmao. the design flaw in in the belief that humans should have been designed differently. Its comical, except for the point that these people vote too.
Most people don't apply the same rigor to their statements of belief as they do others so I must be wrong.
I seriously don't understand what are you trying to say?
Are you saying God's design has a flaw and you agree with OP? If yes, then you are not an Atheist anymore because you just believed in the existence God (but you found a flaw in his design)
Or, are you saying, God does not exist and young girls starting early menstruating is part of the human evolution - so there is nothing wrong in it. And so is the case with Cancer, dementia etc
In a nut shell,
A - It's flaw in design if God did it.
B - There is nothing wrong in it because that's part of human evolutionary process.
Which one is it?
B is the correct one, A is the answer to those who take the OT literally. T9 keep it as simple as possible, it is a remnant of human evolution back to a time having children early in life lead to having more offspring. However if you think that a God was a perfect designer it is not only a flaw not a sign of prefection.
C could be that a God started life but evolution resulted in the modern species
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