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Old 01-26-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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Any religion is 'true' if it helps you become closer to the sovereign of the universe.
Likewise, if a religion excludes you from the sovereign, it's not good for you.
Sovereignty means freedom, not allegiance to a fascist "sovereign" of which a bunch of people are claiming contradicting and illogical qualities for.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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If you live in a "Catholic country" does that mean you're a practicing Catholic?
So you believe that instead, the "majority" Catholics are pushing these "only nonCatholic" people to kill themselves? What sort of tactics would they use? shunning them? Scaring them with hell? What sort of zealous evil would our new pagan/rural religious masters be facilitating?
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Since we do not know WHAT the reality of the universe IS, your statement is nonsense.
You didn't seem to want to outline that to jetgraphics.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:29 PM
 
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Most Protestants do not believe in transubstantiation. They believe in metaphor and the power of God to change a person through obedience and ritual metaphor. (they are worshiping psychology without knowing it)

For example, a "nondenominational" Evangelical Protestant group that I once belonged to had the leaders voice/push their belief that Transub is one of the main arguments that props up Idol Worship, both for pagans and for Catholics (who the Protestants think idol worship their saints).
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:31 PM
 
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Did you ask them if they had explored and evaluated other religions?

Because if they have not, you know, explored and evaluated other religions, then their position is overtly biased and prejudicial.
I know many Christians who explore other religions, they often explore 1 argument for the religion, then 3 against and thus become stronger in their Christianity. And then in their Ivory Tower churches, they continue hearing more arguments against other religions adding up to scores of negativity.

Often, the most zealous ones think that they know A LOT about other religions.
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Old 01-27-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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I don't think this is off topic. In all my life I never heard this particular sentence
that someone wrote on another forum yesterday...I thought is was great...a blanket statement that
if only it could seep thru cracks like the smell of cookies baking...
you can't hold it back ...even thru walls and doors...such a simple thing yet, powerful.
Something to live by.

"Love has no religion."
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Old 01-27-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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ALL religions are man made and therefore false.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:46 PM
 
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ALL religions are man made and therefore false.
all religion was made by man and have some parts correct and some parts incorrect.

"man made" and thus "all wrong" just don't match observation.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:09 AM
 
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The whole point of Christianity is to safeguard the eternal well being of human souls. Yet there is no evidence the Christian hell exists.
I think the issue goes a little more fundamental than that. In that there is no evidence the "souls" exist either. So the issue is not that hell does not exist to protect the souls from - but that the souls do not appear to exist to even protect in the first place.

There is just no evidence at all that any aspects of consciousness, sentience, experience, subjectivity or humanity lifts off the body or brain at death and continues in any form other than dissipation of heat and cessation of chemical and electrical activity.

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Millions of children under 5 die every year. Think of the fact that most of these men and women believe in God
And worse again some of those children die _percisely because_ those men and women believe in god. For the example the children with relatively easily managed medical conditions who are allowed by their parents to die, sometimes painfully, because those parents thing the medical intervention is an offence to their pet god of choice.

Children who in the absence of that belief would likely have lived long and happy lives.

I do not know if there is a true religion or what it might be - but I struggle to believe it is any of the ones that allow that heinous reality to be perpetuated.

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And worse than that many of these people, certainly—–will be going to Hell because they’re praying to the wrong God.
Worse again - almost to the point of tragic comedy - is that some people think you only go to hell for rejecting the message of Christ. So people who have not heard that message are essentially safe. Yet they bring them the message anyway thus risking their rejection of it. Surely - if not hearing the message to reject in the first place keeps you safe - then spreading the message of your "true religion" is an attack of the most heinous kind on the eternal well being of innocent people.

But. They. Just. Can't. Help. Themselves. It seems belief does not make them happy. No they can only be happy when everyone else believes it too.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:34 AM
 
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I think the issue goes a little more fundamental than that. In that there is no evidence the "souls" exist either. So the issue is not that hell does not exist to protect the souls from - but that the souls do not appear to exist to even protect in the first place.

There is just no evidence at all that any aspects of consciousness, sentience, experience, subjectivity or humanity lifts off the body or brain at death and continues in any form other than dissipation of heat and cessation of chemical and electrical activity.



And worse again some of those children die _percisely because_ those men and women believe in god. For the example the children with relatively easily managed medical conditions who are allowed by their parents to die, sometimes painfully, because those parents thing the medical intervention is an offence to their pet god of choice.

Children who in the absence of that belief would likely have lived long and happy lives.

I do not know if there is a true religion or what it might be - but I struggle to believe it is any of the ones that allow that heinous reality to be perpetuated.



Worse again - almost to the point of tragic comedy - is that some people think you only go to hell for rejecting the message of Christ. So people who have not heard that message are essentially safe. Yet they bring them the message anyway thus risking their rejection of it. Surely - if not hearing the message to reject in the first place keeps you safe - then spreading the message of your "true religion" is an attack of the most heinous kind on the eternal well being of innocent people.

But. They. Just. Can't. Help. Themselves. It seems belief does not make them happy. No they can only be happy when everyone else believes it too.
The soul is not immortal...
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