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Old Yesterday, 07:37 PM
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Parents say priest told mourners that son may be kept out of heaven over suicide: report

A priest laid it right between the eyes at a funeral, to the mourners as well as to the parents; the 18 year old youth, a Straight A student, who committed suicide was not going to go to heaven. I am uncertain whether the priest had any control over the matter, but apparently, it does not matter how the person lived their life or what drove them to the point of desperation.

Most of the leaders in my particular religion, thankfully, believe that the right question to ask is not whether the person is going to heaven or down below, but what kind of life they lived, and who they've helped, in the living world. But to me, this is no way to comfort mourners. It is a public shaming, and why?

Moderator cut: Edited to add corrected link. https://www.foxnews.com/us/parents-w...uneral-removed

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Old Yesterday, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Parents say priest told mourners that son may be kept out of heaven over suicide: report

A priest laid it right between the eyes at a funeral, to the mourners as well as to the parents; the 18 year old youth, a Straight A student, who committed suicide was not going go to heaven. I am uncertain whether the priest had any control over the matter, but apparently, it does not matter how the person lived their life or what drove them to the point of desperation.

Most of the leaders in my particular religion, thankfully, believe that the right question to ask is not whether the person is going to heaven or down below, but what kind of life they lived, and who they've helped, in the living world. But to me, this is no way to comfort mourners. It is a public shaming, and why?
Clearly, some people "know not what they do." This is heartbreaking and I hope the boy's family doesn't let one person's insensitivity and ignorance get in the way of their healing. (By the way, your link doesn't work.)
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Old Yesterday, 07:51 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That's been Catholic doctrine for centuries and has only fairly recently (in the time frame of the Church)began to be modified.
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Old Yesterday, 08:04 PM
 
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That's been Catholic doctrine for centuries and has only fairly recently (in the time frame of the Church)began to be modified.
He shouldn't be speaking from a doctrinal point of view in regards to a situation like that. Doctrine is all garbage to begin with.
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Old Yesterday, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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He shouldn't be speaking from a doctrinal point of view in regards to a situation like that. Doctrine is all garbage to begin with.
The word "doctrine" means nothing more than "teachings." Are you meaning to say that everything every church teaches is "garbage."
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Old Yesterday, 08:21 PM
 
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Sort of like people going on Christian message boards and attacking religion, trying to destroy their belief. There are bad people that just like to mock people everywhere. This priest was wrong.
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Old Yesterday, 08:42 PM
 
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Parents say priest told mourners that son may be kept out of heaven over suicide: report

A priest laid it right between the eyes at a funeral, to the mourners as well as to the parents; the 18 year old youth, a Straight A student, who committed suicide was not going to go to heaven. I am uncertain whether the priest had any control over the matter, but apparently, it does not matter how the person lived their life or what drove them to the point of desperation.

Most of the leaders in my particular religion, thankfully, believe that the right question to ask is not whether the person is going to heaven or down below, but what kind of life they lived, and who they've helped, in the living world. But to me, this is no way to comfort mourners. It is a public shaming, and why?
Maybe to discourage others who may be contemplating suicide?

Look, these people chose to belong to a religion which believes suicide is a mortal sin. A belief that is discarded when it becomes inconvenient isn't really a belief, is it?
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 PM
 
Location: PRM (Peoples Republic of MN)
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I've had this happen to me a couple times in the last several years (suicide of a loved one/girlfriend).


The girl I was with hanged herself the night after her and I relapsed together. I was at her funeral. The pastor said she was still seeking Christ - she was still active in church and seeking.


She had PTSD after being stabbed over adozen times by her ex - she was in rough shape (mentally/spiritually). But her relapse and the medication she was on were what drove her to suicide. She is in Heaven.
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Old Yesterday, 09:28 PM
 
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This is a Catholic thing. Protestants do not believe this.
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Old Yesterday, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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This is a Catholic thing. Protestants do not believe this.
Oh yes, some of them do. I've posted several times on here the story of when a childhood friend of the family shot himself in the head (about 25 years ago) his parents went to church on Sunday only to have another church member come up and say, "I'm sorry to hear about your son, but you know he went straight to hell."

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