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Old Yesterday, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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This specific racism is a product of southern culture, combined with depraved and lost "churches". That's 'churches' in a building and membership sense, not 'the church' as in the 'body of Christ'.

Jesus spoke out against such vile hatred of others, so Jesus would be more disgusted by this racism than any of us could ever be.

Get it straight; the roots and causes. This is the worst of American culture, to the core. Throwing stones at the wrong target creates more problems for everyone.
So if an all powerful god cannot be trusted to end something as vile as slavery (with all it's associated evils), then I really don't see why anyone should believe he does anything for the good.

I guess all he's good for is finding lost keys.
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Old Yesterday, 11:38 AM
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Location: Better left unsaid
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So if an all powerful god cannot be trusted to end something as vile as slavery (with all it's associated evils), then I really don't see why anyone should believe he does anything for the good.
God isn't going to force and solve matters for us like you are indicating. God gave us freedom and free will. You should respect that, but perversely argue for the opposite, which doesn't add up.

It's up to us to choose appropriately for what works for good and unity. People choose wisely and unwisely, but whatever the choice, we reap what we sow. History - irrelevant of religion, time, and location - shows this.

No religion, no deity, no man, no force, will conveniently wipe away evils such as slavery. You can feebly try to divert the blame elsewhere - as though it's God's responsibility to do it, or he's no good - but this always comes back to us.

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Old Yesterday, 11:41 AM
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...uality-n948396

Excellent and thought provoking article about the Southern Baptists.
The Photo is of Rev Al Mohler who is a very solid Chiristian. I've been listening to his sermons and they are bible based


The Past is the Past. Let it go.
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Old Yesterday, 11:46 AM
 
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We know you don't feel guilt. It requires honest self-reflection and empathy.
The bible doesn't call for this feeling of guilt. It it's not a feeling but more of a state of being.



Self-reflection not sure what that means as I doubt you'll find it in the bible.

Repentance you will find, a turning away from what the bible defines as Sin.
But that isn't really self- reflection but more of a going foward with a new way of being.
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Old Yesterday, 11:50 AM
 
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This specific racism is a product of southern culture, combined with depraved and lost "churches". That's 'churches' in a building and membership sense, not 'the church' as in the 'body of Christ'.

Jesus spoke out against such vile hatred of others, so Jesus would be more disgusted by this racism than any of us could ever be.

Get it straight; the roots and causes. This is the worst of American culture, to the core. Throwing stones at the wrong target creates more problems for everyone.
Bingo!
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Old Yesterday, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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God isn't going to force and solve matters for us like you are indicating.

Why? Said who? Then why are christians running around claiming he is all powerful and can do anything and that he loves his little slaves?

God gave us freedom and free will. You should respect that, but perversely argue for the opposite, which doesn't add up.

First, I don't have to respect anything. But beyond that, please don't talk about christianity "adding up". What a farce that is.

It's up to us to choose appropriately for what works for good and unity. People choose wisely and unwisely, but whatever the choice, we reap what we sow. History - irrelevant of religion, time, and location - shows this.

Y'all don't mind when the suffering isn't YOUR group.

No religion, no deity, no man, no force, will conveniently wipe away evils such as slavery. You can feebly try to divert the blame elsewhere - as though it's God's responsibility to do it, or he's no good - but this always comes back to us.
See above
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Old Yesterday, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The Photo is of Rev Al Mohler who is a very solid Chiristian. I've been listening to his sermons and they are bible based


The Past is the Past. Let it go.
Isn't that always convenient.

Then let's let the bible go. It was written in the past.
Let's let the story of Jesus go. It's over 2,000 years old...it's in the past.
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Old Yesterday, 12:17 PM
 
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Isn't that always convenient.

Then let's let the bible go. It was written in the past.
Let's let the story of Jesus go. It's over 2,000 years old...it's in the past.
I never said to let the bible go- it is eternal, it is eternal life to those who believe.

I meant, specific to the topic at hand, which is what we are commenting on....let go the history of whoever you feel was engaged in racism decades ago. Specifically here, that is the Southern Baptists

It is no longer. Be appreciative of that. Hatred, bitterness towards a specific group is now the past. At least regarding the Southern Baptists as a whole.
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Old Yesterday, 12:30 PM
 
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So if an all powerful god cannot be trusted to end something as vile as slavery (with all it's associated evils), then I really don't see why anyone should believe he does anything for the good.

I guess all he's good for is finding lost keys.
1 Timothy 1:8–10
Now we know that rthe law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners,for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,2 liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to tsound3 doctrine,

“Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16).
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Isn't that always convenient.

Then let's let the bible go. It was written in the past.
Let's let the story of Jesus go. It's over 2,000 years old...it's in the past.
So should we cling to and gnash our teeth at all historical practices. The practice and acceptance of slavery began pretty much at the beginning of our recorded history as did the domination and oppression of women and children and the poor. People also use religion to justify polygamy, child brides, murder, mutilation, war. Societies supported child labor, workhouses, torture and abuse of the mentally ill, homosexuals and the incarcerated. Do we need to keep all these things past societies accepted that society now views as abominations dredged up, demand apologies and reparations. For how long? Will our great, great grandchildren and their children's children be held accountable for our societal norms of today?
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