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Old Yesterday, 08:57 PM
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It doesn't make sense. The church is the "scapegoat" for atheists. They're worse than any religious fundamentalist.
Apparently, you disregarded my advice to lie down, eyes closed, with a cool, damp cloth on your forehead until you felt better.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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It doesn't make sense. The church is the "scapegoat" for atheists. They're worse than any religious fundamentalist.
Do you feel that these molestations should simply be excused because they are done by the religious? Because to argue your christian beliefs in this particular thread pretty much does that.
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Old Yesterday, 09:44 PM
 
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Do you feel that these molestations should simply be excused because they are done by the religious? Because to argue your christian beliefs in this particular thread pretty much does that.
What atheists don't realize is that churches represent different political ideologies. They don't represent God. And since atheists are a part of those same ideologies themselves, then they are just as guilty as any members of the churches.
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Old Yesterday, 10:06 PM
 
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What atheists don't realize is that churches represent different political ideologies. They don't represent God. And since atheists are a part of those same ideologies themselves, then they are just as guilty as any members of the churches.
What is wrong with you? How many times do we have to tell you that:
Most of us who are now atheists were christians.
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Old Today, 05:29 AM
 
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What is wrong with you? How many times do we have to tell you that:
Most of us who are now atheists were christians.
There is nothing wrong with that.

But understand that church is a community. Atheists are always talking about how they were part of the church history in the past because that was the "thing to do" in the past. Atheists supposedly were stigmatized throughout history if they left the church.

So now you're trying to tell me that there were no atheists in the past? You can't have it both ways.
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Old Today, 05:29 AM
 
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This specific racism is a product of southern culture, combined with depraved and lost "churches". That's 'churches' in a building and membership sense, not 'the church' as in the 'body of Christ'.

Jesus spoke out against such vile hatred of others, so Jesus would be more disgusted by this racism than any of us could ever be.

Get it straight; the roots and causes. This is the worst of American culture, to the core. Throwing stones at the wrong target creates more problems for everyone.
Sigh. It was not only Southerners who were racist.
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Old Today, 06:21 AM
 
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Sigh. It was not only Southerners who were racist.
nore is it just one group of people these days.
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Old Today, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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There is nothing wrong with that.

But understand that church is a community. Atheists are always talking about how they were part of the church history in the past because that was the "thing to do" in the past. Atheists supposedly were stigmatized throughout history if they left the church.

So now you're trying to tell me that there were no atheists in the past? You can't have it both ways.
Honestly...what are you talking about? That post has virtually nothing to with my post.

This is exactly why I am coming the conclusion that you argue for the sake of arguing.
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Old Today, 10:42 AM
 
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So you doubt their sincerity.

Another black eye for christianity.
Obviously I cant speak for the leaders of the Southern Baptist convention. I am pointing out that other organizations, Charleston, the university of NC, Delaware, Georgetown, etc. have made formal apologies for slavery because slavery existed in our country, as it did in the rest of the world, for a time.

Christians are human and humans are fallible, they are sinners, they are immoral. At some point in our history all groups engaged in some aspect of slavery.

Again I believe you have some misguided notion that because one identifies as a follower of Christ they must be infallible, above reproach, and without sin. A religious organization is no better than its members.

Personally I think it is ridiculous and yes without sincerity for an individual or an organization to apologize for something that happen before they were even born for which they had no part in nor control over.
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Old Today, 11:03 AM
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Personally I think it is ridiculous and yes without sincerity for an individual or an organization to apologize for something that happen before they were even born for which they had no part in nor control over.
The symbolism is important to those who have been wronged, and their descendants, in order for them to forgive and heal.

But if the apology is insincere, it is just more empty church-speak from Christian hypocrites.
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