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It's not a miracle. Out all those that pray, less than 0.01% "get their prayers answered."
That's neither convincing nor a stellar track record.
You are proving a point, too, which is that anything unexplained automatically defaults to "god did it."
Medical science doesn't really know what causes cancer, which is one reason cancer is so difficult to treat, and why treatment often fails.
Science will sort it out in the end, although it might take a long time.
It's not a numbers game. Quantity of healing proves nothing. You would still find a way to deny it just like some people can deny that we ever landing on the moon. I'll stick with the experts, the doctors who see and know this stuff daily. If they say it's a miracle then it's a miracle. There is a yearly conference of worldwide doctors all bringing numerous cases of healing backed up with documentation, photos, lab results. But of course, it's not good enough for atheists.
Your side has made it impossible to ever prove a miracle. Yet that does not mean God did not heal this girl.
It's not a numbers game. Quantity of healing proves nothing. You would still find a way to deny it just like some people can deny that we ever landing on the moon. I'll stick with the experts, the doctors who see and know this stuff daily. If they say it's a miracle then it's a miracle. There is a yearly conference of worldwide doctors all bringing numerous cases of healing backed up with documentation, photos, lab results. But of course, it's not good enough for atheists.
Your side has made it impossible to ever prove a miracle. Yet that does not mean God did not heal this girl.
OK, let's suppose it is a miracle. How does this prove Jesus is not imaginary? What proof is there that Jesus is responsible for the miracle?
Let's not forget that this is the claim you have made.
Then explain how mental thoughts, something that is not physical, not tangible creates healing. How does faith even if it is a false faith make real physical changes? Just telling me that the brain did it is kinda a copout.
What difference does it make whether or not someone can explain how? Why is your default position "God/Jesus must have done it"? Many things which mankind once attributed to some sort of deity are now understood to be natural. Volcanic eruptions, for example.
Of course, atheists will try to scramble for some explanation or act like it is just perfectly normal for cancer to vanish, but the doctors, ya know the real experts can't explain this one and are baffled. The survival rate for DIPG is very low and this cancer can not be cured through modern medicine. Yet she was completely cured through the power of prayer. Believe that!
Does this point you bring up in your opening posting really need to be debated? Let me ask you honestly, Jeffbase40 (if you can truly find it in yourself to be truly honest in acknowledging the undeniable truth in what I'm saying):
How many many many many many many many many many many many many times in life have persons (even ardent Christians . . . and others) asked for innumerable meritorious and worthy things and had NOTHING come their ways regarding their prayers or even had calamity come their ways instead (e.g., freedom from excrutiating physical pain or physical debilitation; deliverance from mistreatment/bullying/assault at the hands of their fellow humans; dealing with a developmental disability; having their child or marriage partner or parent or friend or other loved one delivered from calamity; and so many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many other possible examples way too numerous to type up here)? So what does THAT prove? That even if there is, in fact, a God of some type (including the Christian God), this god operates by his whim? That is, if he "feels like it", he'll (maybe) do something . . . and it he doesn't "feel like it", he won't? Why is that any more meritorious than what a host of your fellow humans are capable of? Going by the standard descriptions of "God", He is all-powerful, all-knowing, et al (having all the other "omni" powers) and yet He, at times, willfullychooses to utterly ignore or blow off many many many many prayers or concerns (even from ardent and honest believers) . . . even though He is, by definition, wholly capable of doing something about it (such as the "healing" you speak of).
So your opening posting is suggesting that, because some human party prayed to whichever supernatural conception of their choosing and then had some desired-for outcome come their way, this proves that this supernatural entity of their choosing is real (such as, in your example, "Jesus" or "God the Father")? So when a Muslim prays to Allah and what they were praying for comes to be, does this prove that Allah is real? Or if someone prays to Zeus or Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and their desired-for outcome comes their way, does this prove that Zeus or Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real? If they prayed to Satan/Lucifer and their desired-for outcome comes theri way, does this prove that Satan/Lucifer is real and is righteous in moral character? In your mind, is this something that really needs to be debated? The answer should be patently obvious to any person who is characterized by true intellectual honesty and integrity.
Miraculous curings of tumors are not uncommon. Mother Teresa has two such confirmed curings;
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The first took place in West Bengal, India, and involved the healing of an Indian woman, Monica Besra, whose abdominal tumor was so severe that her doctors abandoned hope of saving her. Taken into the care of the Missionaries of Charity, she continued to decline and endured such agony from the tumor that she could no longer sleep. On the one-year anniversary of Mother’s passing, the sisters at the home placed a Miraculous Medal that had been touched to the body of Mother Teresa on Besra’s stomach. The suffering woman fell asleep, and when she woke up, her pain was gone. Doctors examined her and found the reason why: The tumor had disappeared completely.
A board of medical specialists worked with the Congregation for the Causes of Saints to study the alleged miracle. After assessing the records and interviewing the medical staff involved, the committee determined that the healing was medically inexplicable. Pope John Paul approved the miracle on Dec. 20, 2002, barely five years after Teresa’s death.
Note that this miracle took place AFTER Mother Teresa's death! She died in 1997.
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The second miracle took place in December 2008 in Brazil. Marcilio Haddad Andrino, a now-42-year-old mechanical engineer from Santos, Brazil, struggled with a bacterial infection in the brain that caused severe brain abscesses and agonizing head pain. A priest friend encouraged the recently married young man and his wife, Fernanda Nascimento Rocha, to pray for Mother Teresa’s help. Andrino, however, slipped into a coma as treatments failed, and while Rocha prayed, he was taken in for last-ditch surgery. When the surgeon entered the operating room, he found Andrino awake and asking him what was going on.
Andrino made a full recovery, and the couple went on to have two children, even though it was deemed by doctors to be a near medical impossibility. Father Kolodiejchuk referred to their children as a second miracle.
In September 2015, the Congregation for the Causes of Saints accepted the findings of the medical commission and presented the report to Pope Francis for his final approval. On Dec. 17, the Holy Father officially recognized the miracle that was needed for Mother Teresa to be canonized.
Who can argue against such compelling proof? If Mother Teresa can cure terminal cancer after her death, then so can Jesus.
Then explain how mental thoughts, something that is not physical, not tangible creates healing. How does faith even if it is a false faith make real physical changes? Just telling me that the brain did it is kinda a copout.
Or you could Google Placebo effect and see if anyone has done any studies on it.
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Just telling me that the brain did it is kinda a copout.
Ditto for your god. At least we have evidence the placebo effect works.
It's not a numbers game. Quantity of healing proves nothing. You would still find a way to deny it just like some people can deny that we ever landing on the moon. I'll stick with the experts, the doctors who see and know this stuff daily. If they say it's a miracle then it's a miracle.
Shorter Jeff, he will only accept certain experts while 1) pretending in this case it could NOT be a mistake, and 2) ignoring other experts.
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There is a yearly conference of worldwide doctors all bringing numerous cases of healing backed up with documentation, photos, lab results. But of course, it's not good enough for atheists.
Another invention of yours, or is it a misrepresentation? Because we know nothing of this conference. But naturally you blame (and misrepresent) us for something you have provided no evidence for. Because you always project your unwillingness to look at evidence onto us.
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Your side has made it impossible to ever prove a miracle. Yet that does not mean God did not heal this girl.
Not this bovine manure again. Something that happens in real life is not evidence your god did it. Amputated limbs growing back would be very good evidence for miracles. Does it never occur to you that your constant need to misrepresent is because your 'evidence' is very bad?
Then explain how mental thoughts, something that is not physical, not tangible creates healing. How does faith even if it is a false faith make real physical changes? Just telling me that the brain did it is kinda a copout.
this is the problem jeff.
when we don't know what happened we look around at what we have in terms of observations that can be repeated by people no matter what they belief to see if we can come up with something. You focus on what we don't know and make stuff and rely on the fact that nobody knows to make your case.
we don't. we use what observations we have and tell people to use commonsense and their experience, along with repeatable data in people's that are in different realigns.
The nest we can say is that we are in a system of life. The most valid word to describe this system is "This system is in homeostasis.". It has profound implications.
Your type of god has personal emotional need based on wants and needs of particular type of person. You are basically equal and opposite to far left liberals that get violent when feel goods solutions are not supported by logic and reason.
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