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Old 12-23-2018, 06:17 AM
 
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no GC, its about assigning traits to god. I just can't, in all honesty. teach that blind faith is anything but nonsense and dangerous. we would not have made cell phones if we just believed what we wanted.

what traits do you assign it that lead back to what we know?

list one, lets see if we can link it to the standard model. its better you do it, but I think I need to show you how we think as apposed to what we think.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:33 AM
 
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lmao ... thank you.
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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lmao ... thank you.
Couldn’t resist...
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes (for the proof) and no (for the verifiable evidence). Asking for 'verifiable evidence' is the same as 'not asking for proof or 100% guarantee'.

And for the nth time, if you have no evidence:
1) we have no reason to believe, and
2) logically your belief must be most likely false.

We have the problem you can not grasp the difference between evidence based faith and faith without evidence?

It seems it is you who has a problem understanding words.

Your straw man has nothing to do with our arguments.
What I find a little bit pathetic is that most religious people base their faith on family habit. If their parents were methodist...they are, and so forth. And that family habit often goes back several generations. It isn't something that is based on any deep thought about religion. At most, most churchgoers don't read the bible independently, they rely on a priest or minister to tell them what they're supposed to believe. It's a very lazy form of belief for the vast majority. In fact, the stats that christians rely on are, in a sense, fake news. Most of those christians out there don't go to church with any regularity, would choose of football game over a church service, and have based their whole lives -- or say they base their lives -- on something they haven't even studied. It is a veneer of belief.
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Old 12-23-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What I find a little bit pathetic is that most religious people base their faith on family habit. If their parents were methodist...they are, and so forth. And that family habit often goes back several generations. It isn't something that is based on any deep thought about religion. At most, most churchgoers don't read the bible independently, they rely on a priest or minister to tell them what they're supposed to believe. It's a very lazy form of belief for the vast majority. In fact, the stats that christians rely on are, in a sense, fake news. Most of those christians out there don't go to church with any regularity, would choose of football game over a church service, and have based their whole lives -- or say they base their lives -- on something they haven't even studied. It is a veneer of belief.
What you say is made very obvious when seeing the attendance figures all year long and then on Christmas and Easter
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Old 12-23-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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What I find a little bit pathetic is that most religious people base their faith on family habit. If their parents were methodist...they are, and so forth. And that family habit often goes back several generations. It isn't something that is based on any deep thought about religion. At most, most churchgoers don't read the bible independently, they rely on a priest or minister to tell them what they're supposed to believe. It's a very lazy form of belief for the vast majority. In fact, the stats that christians rely on are, in a sense, fake news. Most of those christians out there don't go to church with any regularity, would choose of football game over a church service, and have based their whole lives -- or say they base their lives -- on something they haven't even studied. It is a veneer of belief.
But they eventually grow up and see that everyone was raised in their own churches, each with their own teachings. So they know that their true faith must come from an internal place.
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:55 PM
 
Location: NSW
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Too early to say this, having just read about the type of tumor. (and I know more than the average person about gliomas)
Not sure what type of church the girls family go to, Pentecostal?
I hope for the young girls case it is cured.
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Old 12-24-2018, 12:30 AM
 
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Faith based on evidence.

Bridges rarely fall, planes usually fly without accidents, medicines usually work.

You admit your faith has no evidence, and I respect that honesty. But that is the difference between the two.
I think it doesn’t matter if I admit or not, the dictionary already told you what’s the meaning of (religious) faith”.

So, if “faith” is based on evidence then it’s not “faith” anymore as it does not meet the very definition of “faith” per the dictionary.

Now that you, hopefully, learned the MEANINGS of the word “faith” , you won’t demand evidence when someone says he has faith in God, BECAUSE faith is NOT based on evidence.
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Old 12-24-2018, 12:39 AM
 
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Yes (for the proof) and no (for the verifiable evidence). Asking for 'verifiable evidence' is the same as 'not asking for proof or 100% guarantee'.



And for the nth time, if you have no evidence:
1) we have no reason to believe, and
2) logically your belief must be most likely false.



We have the problem you can not grasp the difference between evidence based faith and faith without evidence?

It seems it is you who has a problem understanding words.



Your straw man has nothing to do with our arguments.
Already answered above.

Now that you have learned the meaning of the word “faith”, most of your post does not warrant an answer.
I am sure you are smart and intelligent enough to figure it out with the newly learned piece of knowledge - but do Thank the dictionary though.
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Old 12-24-2018, 12:43 AM
 
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Faith based on evidence.

Bridges rarely fall, planes usually fly without accidents, medicines usually work.

You admit your faith has no evidence, and I respect that honesty. But that is the difference between the two.
When it’s based on evidence then it’s NOT (religious) faith. Remember the definition of the word (religious) faith? That new piece of knowledge that you recently learned?
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