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Old 02-18-2019, 10:31 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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good. Then i don't know what we have been discussing for the past two days.
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lol - I ‘hear’ you.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I think the question raised by Mystic (post #295) is far more interesting to explore than individual labels (which is yet another reason why I continue to identify as an agnostic).
Which was....

'Why do WE complex intelligent beings exist then?'

Because we do. Why does there have to be a reason? ...and why do you consider us that special anyway? We excel in only one thing...intelligence. It was extremely fortunate for us that 'intelligence' was the lucky niche needed to survive and thrive. What would have happened if the strength of a bear were the lucky niche, or the flight and eyesight of an eagle or the ability to run at great speeds like a cheetah? Where would we have been now. WE a'int so special bro. WE just think we are.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Which was....

'Why do WE complex intelligent beings exist then?'

Because we do. Why does there have to be a reason? ...and why do you consider us that special anyway? We excel in only one thing...intelligence. It was extremely fortunate for us that 'intelligence' was the lucky niche needed to survive and thrive. What would have happened if the strength of a bear were the lucky niche, or the flight and eyesight of an eagle or the ability to run at great speeds like a cheetah? Where would we have been now. WE a'int so special bro. WE just think we are.
Not special, complex. But you are addressing your thoughts as to why man ‘survived’ (and evolution is another topic, all based on science and knowledge). The question, in my mind at least, is ‘existence’.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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For someone that has, on two occasions now, had a flounce and swore to never again respond to my posts , you have an awful lot to say.

...and BTW 'argumentum ad populem' isn't always correct. Otherwise Christianity would be right wouldn't it.
A few sentences here and there in this thread is hardly having an awfully lot to say.

And yes, I have said a couple of times that I'm not going to respond to your posts, but I still read them, and sometimes can't resist the temptation. I guess that's just horrible of me. But frankly, on the continuum of non-religious belief, you're very aggressive and on the very high end of the scale. You just are. And you don't seem to understand that everyone has a right to varying degrees of agnosticism/atheism, and that doesn't make you absolutely right or absolutely wrong. It's hardly the settled matter you seem to think it is.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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..everyone has a right to varying degrees of agnosticism/atheism, and that doesn't make you absolutely right or absolutely wrong.
Yup, and I would like to add each person's beliefs are perfect for them at that time...look how many flip from one side
to the other a couple times, even.
Truly, I remember my ''immature 19 yr old brain'' would be offended or frustrated when someone didn't see things the way I did. Geeze, how stupid of me...
but it was part of developing a sense of self as a new adult.

It is an insecure emotion we aren't even aware of that we just 'have to have
people think as we do and like what we like'. To Christians...a useful tool used in 'the devil's bag of tricks' to be wary of; meant to take us far away from the mark...love, and how it manifests: patience, long-suffering, kindness...

In later development of social maturity ...wisdom offers the easy realization of, "To each his own."
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:00 PM
 
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Evolution.
Because complex intelligent beings simply do not exist for no reason. Or are extremely unlikely to do so.
Or are you arguing your god evolved?
That is unanswerable since evolution does appear to be the method of choice for life and God IS a LIVING God. However, any data or information pre-evolution is unknown or obscure at best.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Evolution.

Because complex intelligent beings simply do not exist for no reason. Or are extremely unlikely to do so.

Or are you arguing your god evolved?
The bolded is something I've been mulling for a while: Whether a God composed of a universe(s) full of consciousnesses could be in its infancy or early childhood and not yet formed a concept of itself as a singular entity.

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Evolution.

Because complex intelligent beings simply do not exist for no reason. Or are extremely unlikely to do so.

Or are you arguing your god evolved?
do you know of one thing that doesn't evolve?
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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That is unanswerable since evolution does appear to be the method of choice for life and God IS a LIVING God. However, any data or information pre-evolution is unknown or obscure at best.
do you know of one thing that doesn't evolve?

fields? an aggregate of vibrating spherical waves?
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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Miriam Webster says otherwise. I even quoted Miriam Webster.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic



They also use English (and the Greek) correctly. I write software that runs on all operating systems that can run a modern web browser. My software does not need to know what operating system it is, therefore it is OS agnostic.

You have no knowledge about my gold plated Porsche (actually you do, which was my original point). Which means you are agnostic about it (until you ask your self is this likely (hint, hint).



In it's entirety - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic
all that chit chat and not a prediction.

if not god, then what is the best notion you have that matches what we see?

we can compare claims to see what ones are more plausible.
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