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Old 01-19-2019, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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That's crazy...

Faith is the substance of thing(s) hoped for

The substance is the reason for believing something is true.

Faith is the evidence of thing(s) not seen.

The evidence for our faith in it being true.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1
What's 'crazy' is you believing something is true because your bible tells you it is.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:11 AM
 
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What's 'crazy' is you believing something is true because your bible tells you it is.
Nah, what crazy is you assuming that believing is the same as having faith.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:46 AM
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Location: Georgia
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Faith is the substance of thing(s) hoped for

The substance is the reason for believing something is true.

Faith is the evidence of thing(s) not seen.
"That's crazy..."
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Nah, what crazy is you assuming that believing is the same as having faith.
Faith is believing without verifiable evidence. It's the last bastion of those that have had their arguments defeated by reason and logic.
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:19 AM
 
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Faith is believing without verifiable evidence. It's the last bastion of those that have had their arguments defeated by reason and logic.
What do "arguments" have to do with believing in God? You could win arguments in your own mind for eternity. But you wouldn't be one step closer to understanding the truth. You are just telling yourself the things you want to hear, but it doesn't make them true.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Germany
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What do "arguments" have to do with believing in God? You could win arguments in your own mind for eternity. But you wouldn't be one step closer to understanding the truth.
Because if you have no evidence for an unlikely claim, it is most probably wrong.

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You are just telling yourself the things you want to hear, but it doesn't make them true.
A non sequitur.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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That's crazy...

Faith is the substance of thing(s) hoped for

The substance is the reason for believing something is true.

Faith is the evidence of thing(s) not seen.

The evidence is the reason(s) that for our hope in the thing being true.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:1
you circled yourself around in a circle based on the bible. But lets look at it anyway ...

"faith is something hoped for" is ok in the context of "I hope my ladder holds up."

the more I know about the ladder the less i have to "hope", as in blinfd faith.
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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Because if you have no evidence for an unlikely claim, it is most probably wrong.



A non sequitur.
What does that even have to do with God or faith?

People have always believed in God. What more evidence do you need?
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Old 01-20-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Germany
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What does that even have to do with God or faith?
Because if you have no evidence for a complex god, it most probably does not exist, mathematically and logically speaking.

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People have always believed in God. What more evidence do you need?
People have always jumped away from none existent threats as well.
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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bottom line is that people that think we are part of a larger, more complex system, will always out number those that deny everything.

Its simple based on observations. deny everything has no observational support and is not logical. denying everything out of fear of religion is silly, well, if it wasn't so dangerous that is.
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