Faith without any reason vs Faith without any evidence (agnostic, miracle, preach)
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Makes one wonder why that is huh? The only clear answer is that they simply don't know enough about what they argue cannot be the case. They work on faith not verifiable evidence, so they don't go there because they know that their minuscule level of scientific knowledge, (clearly derived from websites like Answers in Genesis and woefully wrong) would get blown out of the water within five minutes...or less. So much for their 'faith'.
actually they get blown out so fast they don't even know its over. And they continue on like they have a footing.
yeah, exactly ... if you don't understand the science don't call it a whoo whoo wand to promote a statement of belief about god.
especially when experimental physics are actually doing things with it.
Fair enough, but also don't use the possible future findings of science to suggest that some unsupported theory is valid now.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
There are a gazillion scientist looking into it. because you don't get it doesn't mean that the phrase "deny everything god" done it god should be tossed at it. from lasers to the newer field of quantum biology, its a real claim.
You use of the words "wand waving" is a minimization tactic you are using to spread you personal agenda and it is not based on what I am saying.
What you called "wand waving" produced cells phones. what does your claim make?
what does your dagma of "don't give them any kind of spring board" produce?
I'm a bit suspicious of Quantum being thrown into a hypothesis as a soert of miracle worker that can acount for any effect that is required to make a theory work.
My claim? Which claim is that? Spring -board, as I recall (I may be misremembering) is not giving them an opportunity to leap from some sorta god to the specific god of the Bible.
I'm a bit suspicious of Quantum being thrown into a hypothesis as a soert of miracle worker that can acount for any effect that is required to make theory work.
My claim? Which claim is that? Spring -board, as I recall (I may be misremembering) is not giving them an opportunity to leap from some sorta god to the specific god of the Bible.
Suspicious? I will go one step further ... its a down right lie when they (some of them) claim it.
That is completely different than what I said. I said, the universe, in and around earth, is based on QM and that it is processing information in a meaningful way to produce life. "meaningful way", can mean computer like.
In fact, QM demonstrates that miracles don't happen. But that the probability of some things we call miracles will happen. like medical miracles. they have nothing to do with god, they are have everything to do with probability, kinetic energy and potential energy. at play in DNA and functioning proteins.
That's not a god thing. people taking that notion to a god thing is different that calling that notion a whoo whoo wand.
I said, that QM notions are the connections to us and everything around us. That the everything around us (on earth) is life and people are misrepresenting that as some omni thing when its just life.
but being connected to everything around us as some implications. why do you feel it is wrong to tackle them straight on with theist? that stating "yes, you feel connected to something much bigger than you that is life, but its just the biosphere?"
How about addressing the emotional component of "well, if animals show "emotion", then that is an attribute of the biosphere ... but its not "loving you" past a dog loving you". its just diffrent than they think it is, its not that it isn't there?
Exactly! All of the posters here who are anti-science or not literate in science but who blast science, you'll never find them in the science forum. NEVER, no matter how many times we suggest they hop over there and post their science disputes. LOL I would love to see that happen.
Any takers? I'll be happy to meet you over in the Science forum!
I have also asked this. I have never had anyone accept. Mike555 is often there, and he is a Christian who knows his science, so they can trust him.
Your unwillingness to acknowledge the completely qualitative uniqueness of intelligence itself from hydrogen or anything else we can measure in the Standard Model or in the periodic table is why you can pretend to believe in the evolution of intelligence from dead inert matter.
Several of you think that if GoCardinals and others of his ilk went over to the science part of the forum and discussed the topic that he/they would concede and become atheists?
I would not matter if the proof was final and absolute. They would cling to their belief and continue preaching it.
Several of you think that if GoCardinals and others of his ilk went over to the science part of the forum and discussed the topic that he/they would concede and become atheists?
No. Not that they would become atheists, just that they would crawl back licking their wounds. I think that is evidenced by the fact that the won't go there.
Several of you think that if GoCardinals and others of his ilk went over to the science part of the forum and discussed the topic that he/they would concede and become atheists?
I would not matter if the proof was final and absolute. They would cling to their belief and continue preaching it.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
No. Not that they would become atheists, just that they would crawl back licking their wounds. I think that is evidenced by the fact that the won't go there.
What might happen is they become believers who accept evolution as fact and simply see it as the method their god used. Of course, that also requires a non-literal interpretation of their holy book which is a major stumbling block for those fundies of limited intellect and/or education.
No. Not that they would become atheists, just that they would crawl back licking their wounds. I think that is evidenced by the fact that the won't go there.
But they wouldn't. They would not change anything.
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