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Old 02-09-2019, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Apparently Jesus Christ Himself mentions Hell more often than he mentions Heaven in the bible.
This is disturbing in itself.
Whilst the whole idea of Hell is abhorrent, it is a mainstay of Christian doctrines.
Evangelicals love talking about the Lake of Fire, and threaten other Christians (like Catholics) with it as well, let's hope they are wrong.
Actually, your Jesus doesn't appear to mention anything in your bible. All we have is anonymous people claiming that he mentioned something.
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:11 AM
 
Location: US
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Hell is a later idea mixing the various Jewish ideas of Gehenna, the lake of fire, and Sheol, where the dead went to await the end of times. Some Jews thought you were punished in Gehenna, others thought you were destroyed. Some Jews thought Sheol was divided into good and bad parts, where you were either punished or rewarded.

Revelations is talking about this earlier idea, not about the later idea of Hell.
There is no “s” at the end of Revelation...
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:14 AM
 
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I think you could make a scriptural case for both sides of the argument, but I have taken a non-traditional view. I think the authors were just trying to describe in terms relatable to their physical world or culture at the time, much like they refer to God sitting on a throne. If I had to convey visual the most horrible place imaginable, it would be burning alive forever. I believe hell is either physical or spiritual time realm where God wipes out the unsaved from existence. There is no coming back from that death. It is eternal in that you will never be created again. I based this on Matthew 10:28

"Do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.”

Jesus clearly says that everything about us, body and soul will be destroyed. Plus, it just doesn't make logical sense for God to keep people alive forever to torment them. This would mean God would have to create a new physical body with nerve endings that will experience the fire pain but the body does not get consumed. This is a great article that covers it in more depth

The Nature of Hell | Eternity | Lamb and Lion Ministries


At any rate, the thought of being told you will no longer exist anymore while knowing others go on to eternal life would be terrifying and horrible enough.
If you no longer existed, you wouldn’t know it...The soul is not eternal, but the spirit is...
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:28 AM
 
Location: NSW
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Just curious...where do you get that from?
It is common knowledge that Jesus mentions Hell more often than he mentions Heaven.
Do any google search.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/a...n-anyone-else/
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:30 AM
 
Location: NSW
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Actually, your Jesus doesn't appear to mention anything in your bible. All we have is anonymous people claiming that he mentioned something.
The claim of Jesus as being a real historical figure is different to that of Him being the Messiah.
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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It is common knowledge that Jesus mentions Hell more often than he mentions Heaven.
Do any google search.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/a...n-anyone-else/
Actually, Jesus reportedly mentioned Hades twice. Once, when he told Peter that the gates of Hades would not prevail (not be victorious). Hardly a great case for a place of eternal torment. Then it is used again in what is obviously a parable and not meant to be taken literally (the story of Lazarus and the rich man). All the other passages mentioned in that article are speaking of Gehenna, not Hades, and it is a typical case of a person reading their preconceived notion of the afterlife into passages that say nothing about it. As a matter of fact, you'll notice that when Jesus reportedly talks about Gehenna in Mark 9, and about the "unquenchable fire", he says that EVERYONE will be salted with fire. So unless you think everyone is going to an afterlife of eternal torment, obviously Gehenna is not that.
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The claim of Jesus as being a real historical figure is different to that of Him being the Messiah.
Ummmm.... what has that to do with him not saying anything? We are not talking about any 'historical' Jesus. We are talking about what BibleJesus allegedly said.
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Actually, your Jesus doesn't appear to mention anything in your bible. All we have is anonymous people claiming that he mentioned something.
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Ummmm.... what has that to do with him not saying anything? We are not talking about any 'historical' Jesus. We are talking about what BibleJesus allegedly said.
Why are you railing against those who believe in Jesus just because you don't? All we have to believe in about Jesus is in the narrative about Him. So what? It is the concept of the existence of Jesus as the Firstborn Son of God among us that is the relevant belief whatever its source.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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Why are you railing against those who believe in Jesus just because you don't? All we have to believe in about Jesus is in the narrative about Him. So what? It is the concept of the existence of Jesus as the Firstborn Son of God among us that is the relevant belief whatever its source.
the jesus focal point doesn't help their central dogmatic theme of them saving the masses with their world view.

silly rabbit.
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Old 02-10-2019, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Why are you railing against those who believe in Jesus just because you don't?
Same reason I would rail against people who told us that Santa said we had to leave him a mince pie and a glass of milk.
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