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I know, Arach. You countenance the larger life system we are merely a part of but cannot countenance that we are cared about by that larger life (and reproduce it). Having experienced its nature, I have a different bias.
well, in all honesty, I don't see separate parts. I limit my claims out to 40AU's. I cn point to those thiings for people to go touch. Metaphorically.
maybe we are like hair to the thing. We care about our hair more than our hearts sometimes. Heck, some care about their hair than other people.
So you got nothing. The fact that it’s 2019 means absolutely nothing in regards to the Biblical story of redemption.
I hate it when we agree, but you're right...Arach has nothing except some made up thing about the universe loving us.
And I agree with you...to a degree...about the story (maybe stories) about redemption in the bible being worthwhile in terms of concepts and principles. Nevertheless, I still see the story (stories) as stories.
So you got nothing. The fact that it’s 2019 means absolutely nothing in regards to the Biblical story of redemption.
no jimmie, actually I have more than you. I don't have to make my answer fit a religion. weather that religion is my-god only preaching or anti-religious/god teachings.
I don't have to choose an answer based on what color your t-shirt is.
I hate it when we agree, but you're right...Arach has nothing except some made up thing about the universe loving us.
And I agree with you...to a degree...about the story (maybe stories) about redemption in the bible being worthwhile in terms of concepts and principles. Nevertheless, I still see the story (stories) as stories.
Phet you changed my what i said. i said it had redemption story value. and i did not say the the universe loves you in the way you are making it sound.
Phet you changed my what i said. i said it had redemption story value. and i did not say the the universe loves you in the way you are making it sound.
at least have some dignity and get it right.
Arach, to be perfectly frank, you'll have to excuse any errors I made in your position. I have trouble even following many of your sentences.
Hell is simply an invented threat to get people to believe out of fear. Kind of like heaven is an invented reward for falling in line with the rest of the sheep.
The story is basically god was lonely and wanted to humans that he could have "fellowship" with. People would have "free choice" because god was all cool and didn't want people to be forced into fellowship or worship. But god was so infatuated with himself, he decided anyone who doesn't want to worship him for eternity must be set on fire to punish them for not thinking he's the most super awesome being ever.
And even though we aren't supposed to care about material things, if you fall in line with god's program, he will set you up with a mansion on streets of gold after you die, instead of burning you forever. Yeah, some free choice he came up with...
Hell is simply an invented threat to get people to believe out of fear. Kind of like heaven is an invented reward for falling in line with the rest of the sheep.
The story is basically god was lonely and wanted to humans that he could have "fellowship" with. People would have "free choice" because god was all cool and didn't want people to be forced into fellowship or worship. But god was so infatuated with himself, he decided anyone who doesn't want to worship him for eternity must be set on fire to punish them for not thinking he's the most super awesome being ever.
And even though we aren't supposed to care about material things, if you fall in line with god's program, he will set you up with a mansion on streets of gold after you die, instead of burning you forever. Yeah, some free choice he came up with...
i don't that is the case for everybody. I think its also a place for punishment for the regulars, like myself, that don't speed out of fear of a ticket, not that is the wrong thing to do.
Hell is simply an invented threat to get people to believe out of fear.
That is not why Hell was invented.
Granted, Hell was co-opted for that purpose, but that is not why it it was invented.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
How does the work of Christ make less sense in 2019 than 1919?
Why don't you read the bible for once in your life so you can understand?
Jesus didn't need to exist, nor did he need to die, since everyone's sins -- and, why, yes, that means Hebrews and Gentiles -- were already forgiven.
That was true for at least 950 years before Jesus was born.
If you had ever read the bible, you'd know that.
So, how sad is it that an Atheist knows more than a christian?
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
The 'prophecies' of the death of Judas (Matthew and Acts) are cobbled together from mangled bits of OT. No way they can be real prophecy.
Not only are they not prophetic in any way, they conflict.
Matthew claims Judas hanged himself, but that is not what Acts says.
Acts conflicts, because Judas did not hang himself, rather he died by misadventure.
They both cannot be true.
Matthew is a known liar, so we cannot believe him, and Paul lies, too, so he has no credibility, either.
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You countenance the larger life system we are merely a part of but cannot countenance that we are cared about by that larger life (and reproduce it). Having experienced its nature, I have a different bias.
