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Old 01-30-2019, 01:54 AM
Status: "♪ "Everything is awesome..." ♪" (set 11 days ago)
 
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● If the sovereign of life supports more abundant life, then those who seek to destroy life are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the law of love opposes evil, then predators who follow the law of the jungle are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the prosperous seeks prodigious production of surplus, then those who use money madness to stifle production, create poverty and suffering are in opposition.
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(*Money madness includes usury / interest, and gambling / underwriting)
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:52 AM
 
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The sovereign here sounds like the living sovereign God , and the opposition sounds like those in the world who oppose God
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:16 AM
 
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Sounds like that to me, too.
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:33 AM
 
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● If the sovereign of life supports more abundant life, then those who seek to destroy life are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the law of love opposes evil, then predators who follow the law of the jungle are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the prosperous seeks prodigious production of surplus, then those who use money madness to stifle production, create poverty and suffering are in opposition.
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(*Money madness includes usury / interest, and gambling / underwriting)

to general. it doesn't address what i call "logistics". basically get what we need done with what we have.

an artist can draw any number of buildings. many of the drawings are nothing less than awe inspiring. the only question I ask "with what we have, and the limits we exist under, it is the best we can build?"

"life is awe inspiring" yes, that position doesn't give us the right to hurt more people to save every single individual. basically, a dandelion is a life form, me weeding my lawn doesn't put me in opposition of life.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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● If the sovereign of life supports more abundant life, then those who seek to destroy life are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the law of love opposes evil, then predators who follow the law of the jungle are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the prosperous seeks prodigious production of surplus, then those who use money madness to stifle production, create poverty and suffering are in opposition.
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Opinions and criticism welcome.


(*Money madness includes usury / interest, and gambling / underwriting)
Lots of if's there. Here are somethings more to ponder.

1. If the sovereign is omnipotent or maxipotent, and truly supports more abundant life... nothing could stop or dent it (depending on the level of maxipotence).

2. If the sovereign is the ultimate creator and sustainer, then it bears ultimate responsibility to rule out the law of the jungle from existing immediately and better yet, retroactively. If it opposed evil, no evil could have ever been sustained in existence.

3. If the sovereign of the prosperous and successful is omniscient, then it would know exactly how to communicate and maintain a system where prodigious production of surpluses would never give way to money madness that would stifle production, create poverty, or increase suffering.
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Old 01-30-2019, 07:54 PM
 
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Lots of if's there. Here are somethings more to ponder.

1. If the sovereign is omnipotent or maxipotent, and truly supports more abundant life... nothing could stop or dent it (depending on the level of maxipotence).

2. If the sovereign is the ultimate creator and sustainer, then it bears ultimate responsibility to rule out the law of the jungle from existing immediately and better yet, retroactively. If it opposed evil, no evil could have ever been sustained in existence.

3. If the sovereign of the prosperous and successful is omniscient, then it would know exactly how to communicate and maintain a system where prodigious production of surpluses would never give way to money madness that would stifle production, create poverty, or increase suffering.
I can add one more if.

If there is a sovereign of life, law and prosperity.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:00 PM
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Since the sovereign gave us free will, you cannot expect the sovereign to meddle.
It's up to us to oppose or support the goals.
Unless, you feel that the goals are evil....
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:11 AM
 
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Since the sovereign gave us free will, you cannot expect the sovereign to meddle.
It's up to us to oppose or support the goals.
Unless, you feel that the goals are evil....
More unsupported assertions.

You have not shown that a sovereign of anything exists, you have not shown that the things you list in your OP are that sovereignís goals, and now you have added several more.

Please show that we have free will, or that said free will was granted by your (as yet unproven) god. Show us that meddling by your god interferes with free will, or that your god wants us to support his (as yet unproven) goals.
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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● If the sovereign of life supports more abundant life, then those who seek to destroy life are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the law of love opposes evil, then predators who follow the law of the jungle are in opposition.
● If the sovereign of the prosperous seeks prodigious production of surplus, then those who use money madness to stifle production, create poverty and suffering are in opposition.
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Opinions and criticism welcome.


(*Money madness includes usury / interest, and gambling / underwriting)
If those are your beliefs about ďthe sovereignĒ, then your conclusions seem to me to be in line with those beliefs. So, live with integrity: Donít destroy life, donít be a predator, and donít use money to stifle production, or create poverty or suffering.

Better yet, think how you, yourself, can actively put those principles into practice in positive ways in your own life.
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Old 02-02-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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Since the sovereign gave us free will, you cannot expect the sovereign to meddle.
It's up to us to oppose or support the goals.
Unless, you feel that the goals are evil....
I allow my children free will. And I meddle. Calves have free will, and cows meddle. I allow my elderly parents free-will, and I meddle. I allow my friends free will, and I meddle. I allow my rumba free will, and I meddle. What is a miracle? What is an intervention?

And lowered expectations for a sovereign?

Does your imagined sovereign not have free will for themselves? If they did, then they can do anything that they can do. If they are omnipotent (as Zeus was described), then they can do anything imaginable.

Free-will is only a barrier when it is made as such, otherwise, it can only be freeing.
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