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It's sad but true that China has a great separation of church and state than the US. We have not evolved from the middle ages when it comes to secularism.
Imo, the Church in the US should be taxed just like any other businesses. Only their charitable deeds should be considered tax free.
Chinese government does allow Buddhism because it is more of a philosophy than just a religion and it does not teach only God is the almighty, it teaches responsibility and respects towards everyone including the government that is why it's allowed where other religions that teaches God as the only divine it forbidden in China.
Do you want to see some women oppression, and various other human right violation (which are very brutal and heart wrenching beyond your imagination) statistics in your role model “China” and its “Atheistic/Communistic” rule of govt?
Do you really want to know some statistics and watch a few video clips?
Burying new borm baby girls alive was a common practice in Arab BEFOERE Islam. Do a little research to enlighten yourself. Find out how this was stopped by Islam, and the rights given to Arab women BY Islam and compare it to how Arab women were treated BEFORE Islam. Again, do some research and enlighten yourself.
Then, look at the various positive contributions given by the Christian world to help the humanity.
Philanthropy, food pantries, homelsss shelters, animal shelters, volunteering in disastor locations, Charity, free medical camps, and various other kinds of free services etc.
If you were frustrated by Mormons then it doesn’t automatically mean that all religions in the world are here destroy you.
That's one heck of a post - that Arab (and presumably Persian) women were better off after Islam was invented! Good one.
Most pre-Islamic cultures had moral codes, some more enlightened than the sexist and homophobic ideology of all Abrahamic religions. Of course, destroying any evidence of those cultures has been a top priority - especially for Sunni.
That's one heck of a post - that Arab (and presumably Persian) women were better off after Islam was invented! Good one.
Most pre-Islamic cultures had moral codes, some more enlightened than the sexist and homophobic ideology of all Abrahamic religions. Of course, destroying any evidence of those cultures has been a top priority - especially for Sunni.
Get over yourself.
“Most Pre-Islamic cultures”?
No sir, don’t hide under a rock.
We are talking about ARAB culture and ARAB women of the Pre-Islamic era.
You will need to read some history of how the Arab women were treated and what was their social worth in the Tribal Arab region of Pre-Islamic era.
Heck, women couldn’t even vote in United States until 1920. And you and OP have the audacity to live in a glass house and throw stones at others.
I am a live and let live person generally, and I think people should be able to do what they want to do and believe what they want to believe as long as they are not harming others or infringing on other people's rights. But I do have to wonder sometimes. There was outrage on city data because china was persecuting Christians and Christianity. Now I don't support the death or torture of anyone because of their religion or belief. But think about this. If there had been a communist atheistic government during the time of "prophet" Mohammad that had stopped the spread of Islam, the Arab women in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran wouldn't be oppressed or marginalized today, homosexuals wouldn't be thrown off rooftops, rape victims wouldn't have been stoned to death etc. if an atheistic communist government had been in place in Europe during the Middle Ages most likely there would have been no inquisition the killing of heretics by Christians etc. I would like your opinions. Thanks.
I'm not so sure. If I remember correctly, the communist nonreligious governments that managed to spring up as anti-non-State-leader fascist regimes did not officially push atheism nor even-handedly oppress religion nor favor homosexuals at all nor women's rights all that particularly. The main point was "strive to perfection in government" and "the greatest value is in the military, workers, and farmers" not in the Capitalist class. They merely seemed to notice that the leaders of the Religious class seemed to be closer in bed with the Capitalist class than with the military, workers, or farmers. Rather odd that a government thought it could replace with itself the middle-man Capitalist class, given that the goal of said class is to be the government.
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"Although crimes against women take place all over the world, practices such as sexual enslavement and stoning to death are far more widespread in Islamic societies, where they are also socially and legally tolerated -- as rooted in Islamic scripture. The Quran, for instance, allows men to beat his wives."
You can't peddle us some 'Islam is so wonderful' line by finding some bad practice that they discontinued.
Rome ended human sacrifice by the Carthaginians. But they get accused of the slavery that Christianity claims credit for ending. Any religion can play this game - point to something in the past that was even worse as a way of ignoring what's wrong with them now.
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just look at countries that are anti-religious. they have it so much better than the rest of us ... I might even convert and follow the central dogma of "deny everything due to evil religion".
I just want to point out that I don't support a Chinese style government in the USA that suppresses religion; all I am saying is people would be much better off today if for example the spread of Islam was resisted and not allowed. There is nothing inherently good in religion. Non religious people can just as easily build schools and hospitals like the pious religious people can.
Were Christians behaving nicely during those times? Why are you only talking about Islam?
It's sad but true that China has a great separation of church and state than the US. We have not evolved from the middle ages when it comes to secularism.
Imo, the Church in the US should be taxed just like any other businesses. Only their charitable deeds should be considered tax free.
Chinese government does allow Buddhism because it is more of a philosophy than just a religion and it does not teach only God is the almighty, it teaches responsibility and respects towards everyone including the government that is why it's allowed where other religions that teaches God as the only divine it forbidden in China.
torturing people who read the Bible is 'great' separation of church and state?
we mean separation of fundy think and state. of course that would leave us with no leaders.
err ... wait a min ...
China doesn't just have separation of church and state. Individuals are not allowed to worship.
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