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Old 02-11-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Ok, but I'm still not sure what is the conclusion being drawn here. Do you really not think churches are important? Are you really saying that we need to ban churches simply because we found some rotten apples?

To be honest, I'm disturbed by the anti-religious tone of this forum. What is the goal?
There are many types of organizations and businesses that are "important". So what? The organizations and the people in those organization need to be held responsible for their actions...particularly organizations that hold themselves up as arbiters of public morality.

And few of us are advocating any mass shut down of churches.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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The goal isn't to shut down religion or close churches. It is to make religion accountable for it's actions, and to treat religious organizations fairly, as we do for any other organization.

If religious organizations are truly benevolent and positive for society, then they will thrive. But if they are corrupt and hide malfeasance, then they need to answer for that.

Doesn't that seem fair? If religious organizations and personnel are half as virtuous as claimed, shouldn't this be a slam dunk for them?
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:23 PM
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Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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The goal isn't to shut down religion or close churches. It is to make religion accountable for it's actions, and to treat religious organizations fairly, as we do for any other organization.



Doesn't that seem fair? If religious organizations and personnel are half as virtuous as claimed, shouldn't this be a slam dunk for them?
I grew up in a small town Texas baptist church. Our pastor was a psychopath, plain and simple. When his teenage daughter ran away from home , after complaining abuse atbhis hands, the church rallied behind him, the pastor, out of fear more than anything else.
Or , out of hypocrisy. As my dad used to say about any of his unacceptable behavior, " That's different ; it`s okay when I do it. "

But as for sexual abuse, we ourselves suffered none of this. Oh we had youth directors and Sunday School teachers who were arseholes, who were morons, who were hatemongers, and a few, very few, who were physically abusive....but no sexual abuse. As far as I know, aside from the stories about the aforementioned pastor, who to this day, stays hidden from the cyberworld.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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Whoa!

A sexually-repressed patriarchal organization that espouses subordination is manifesting harmful sexual dysfunction?

Truly, I am shocked.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:11 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Whoa!

A sexually-repressed patriarchal organization that espouses subordination is manifesting harmful sexual dysfunction?

Truly, I am shocked.
It's sounds practically straight from the bible.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: NSW
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Christian religionists say the only "unforgivable" sin is blaspheming the holy spirit.

Which, of course, is just stupid.

If there's an unforgivable sin, it's an adult preying on a child.

Not just physically, as abhorrent as that is. But some adults rape their children's spirits by instilling bigoted, bible-based beliefs with threats of eternal hellfire for "encouragement."

Man's worst, most vile behaviours have often had religious-based ideologies at their rotten core.

I guess they just excuse their behaviour because it's forgivable - unlike telling the holy spirit it's a douche.
Apparently a Christian cannot commit that sin anyway.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdnLgIVF6Ow
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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I worked for the Canadian military. There were accusations of sexual harrassment and sexual assult being far too common and not taken seriously. Reports came out and the the military began focusing on the problem, mandatory training and mandatory reporting. One could be charged or dismissed if you saw sexual harrassment and did nothing to either correct it or report it.

If a slow moving, male dominant, macho organization can Crack down on a 0ro lem and focus on prevention and enforcement surely a church that should be more family oriented than the military should be not only capable but wishing to do the same.

Sorry but there are no excuses for either religious or secular organizations to hide sexual harrassment or assult activities. When the victims are children that is even worse. Add the Anglican Church of Canada whom along with the RCC 8s documented in raping, abusing and even murdering First Nations children in their custody. These organizations must be held accountable for the lack of policing themselves. The moment a church, school or sports club works at hiding these crimes that organization and it's officials must be criminally charged. And every person who was involved in a cover up should be charged. If the Bishop knew charge him, if he didn't know charge all those who knew and didn't tell him.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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The largest catholic parish, that also has K-12 school, in my area, had a handful of pedophile priests over the years, and yet today, they have waiting lists for enrollment, parish is doing very well, costs about $30K per year to send a kid here!
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:04 PM
 
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The largest catholic parish, that also has K-12 school, in my area, had a handful of pedophile priests over the years, and yet today, they have waiting lists for enrollment, parish is doing very well, costs about $30K per year to send a kid here!
Maybe because, just like with any other organization, the good outweighs the bad by 1000 to one.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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The largest catholic parish, that also has K-12 school, in my area, had a handful of pedophile priests over the years, and yet today, they have waiting lists for enrollment, parish is doing very well, costs about $30K per year to send a kid here!
I live near philly. There are at least the same number of pedophiles in public schools. anti-religious socialist have destroyed the public schools in and around my area over the last 25 years. They, administrators and principles in the public schools, have so utterly destroyed them the best schools in the area are religious schools.

why is that?
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