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Old 02-12-2019, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I live near philly. There are at least the same number of pedophiles in public schools. anti-religious socialist have destroyed the public schools in and around my area over the last 25 years. They, administrators and principles in the public schools, have so utterly destroyed them the best schools in the area are religious schools.

why is that?
How exactly do you know how many pedophiles work in public schools?
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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As far as I know Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc., weren't pedophiles.
The rumors are convenient enough. Of course, there were never any charges filed or investigations concluded on those rumors that I'm aware of.

Gandhi was said from some sources to have slept naked with children next to him... of course, he basically only wore a loincloth, glasses, and a watch for some time in his late life.

MLK was said to have had an extramarital affair and to have been physically violent with his wife, she never filed charges and denied that there was any evidence of an extramarital affair although the FBI tried to tell her there was with some recordings they sent her. She disbelieved the conservative white men's recordings.

With Michael Jackson, there were indeed charges filed, and either they were inconclusive (because of the accusers had criminal histories and no evidence) or he was found not guilty. Because of all the negative light that each court case caused him given the mistrust and ridicule, he decided to settle some of the fondling charges out of court with money to the accusing parents. The parents seemed happy with the money as compensation for their accused grievances.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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Ok, but I'm still not sure what is the conclusion being drawn here. Do you really not think churches are important? Are you really saying that we need to ban churches simply because we found some rotten apples?

To be honest, I'm disturbed by the anti-religious tone of this forum. What is the goal?
I think it was to "treat corporations as persons" and punish them as a whole (or make a legal punishment written into law for it) for the actions of their leaders to cover up and excuse criminal behaviors.

Otherwise, not treat corporations as persons nor religious institutions as defacto-nonprofits with some extra government benefits.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:53 PM
 
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I hadn't heard about it, either, just the Catholic priests, sone allegations about the JW's and a few isolated Protestant cases. First I'd heard of this. But Ozzy, 'this happens outside' and 'look at all the good they do' is frankly part of the problem - enabling a cover up, excusing the perpetrators and criminalising the victims.
When I was involved in a newly implemented Catholic "anti-sexual abuse" training, their official in-training excuse was...

"...everyone is doing it, and at equal proportions. Including all the Protestant denominations looked at and secular monotheist organizations like the BoyScouts, etc..."

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Old 02-12-2019, 08:57 PM
 
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I live near philly. There are at least the same number of pedophiles in public schools. anti-religious socialist have destroyed the public schools in and around my area over the last 25 years. They, administrators and principles in the public schools, have so utterly destroyed them the best schools in the area are religious schools.

why is that?
I just love wide ranging assertions which never seem to attempt to show any backup to them. One would almost thing it was something some of the religious find very easy to do.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:23 PM
 
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The rumors are convenient enough. Of course, there were never any charges filed or investigations concluded on those rumors that I'm aware of.

Gandhi was said from some sources to have slept naked with children next to him... of course, he basically only wore a loincloth, glasses, and a watch for some time in his late life.

MLK was said to have had an extramarital affair and to have been physically violent with his wife, she never filed charges and denied that there was any evidence of an extramarital affair although the FBI tried to tell her there was with some recordings they sent her. She disbelieved the conservative white men's recordings.

With Michael Jackson, there were indeed charges filed, and either they were inconclusive (because of the accusers had criminal histories and no evidence) or he was found not guilty. Because of all the negative light that each court case caused him given the mistrust and ridicule, he decided to settle some of the fondling charges out of court with money to the accusing parents. The parents seemed happy with the money as compensation for their accused grievances.
Why are you bringing Michael Jackson into the discussion?
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:31 PM
 
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The rumors are convenient enough. Of course, there were never any charges filed or investigations concluded on those rumors that I'm aware of.

Gandhi was said from some sources to have slept naked with children next to him... of course, he basically only wore a loincloth, glasses, and a watch for some time in his late life.
Gandhi slept with the wives of his grandchildren, not kids. Not that I think it was right, but it was not the same as pedophilia.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:09 AM
 
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And part 2 of the series:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...d-13588233.php

They outline at least 35 SBC pastors who were KNOWN to be criminals to continue to pastor in a church. It's painful to read this article.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:22 AM
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Well, sadly, it is not a religious problem....it is a psychological one. Or a sociological one, perhaps....or a psychiatric one, if you are a low graduating M.D. ()

Sexual Predators can be anywhere....Priests, pastors, teachers, doctors, even psychologists......anyone who wants to use and abuse power to take care of the vulnerable.
I searched for a good online article that addresses this but the limits of time
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...xual-predators

I know Psychology Today is to psychology as what Popular Photography is to fine art.....

That being said, they bring up some valid points. The Illness, the personality disorders of these people, that is the problem. They are sexual predators because of the underlying mental illness they have. They care nothing at all about who they harm, they care only about feeding that synapse of the brain at that moment....like a heroin addict getting that fix....or a food addict getting that candy bar....all that matters at the moment is getting that control in order to get that gratification.

There is a good student thesis here outlining the prevalence of personality disorders in sexual offenders.
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/v...ontext=jj_etds

I do not know about the rest of you, but I have talked with way too many pastors, priests and such who obviously had some serious personality disorders at work. Not to say that they are all like that. But to say that a position of power, like clergy, might attract a certain type of person who has aspirations of using that office for abuse, well, that may be a valid hypothesis. There are some really mentally ill people on a church payroll on this country
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Sexual predators that work for and wear the uniform of god are skum!

Why aren’t other xians putting pressure on the Catholics as they do with two concenting people of the same sex?
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