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Old 02-13-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Well, sadly, it is not a religious problem....it is a psychological one. Or a sociological one, perhaps....or a psychiatric one, if you are a low graduating M.D. ()
I agree, the actual behavior is most likely not rooted in religion. I disagree that it is not a religious problem in an organizational sense though.

The RCC, JW, and SBC organizations, among others, have all created structures that allow sexual predators to thrive, gain opportunities to act upon their psychological/sociological/psychiatric drives, and those organizations protect thesepredators to some extent.

The root cause isnít religious. The expression, opportunity, and lack of intervention certainly is religious.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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Well, sadly, it is not a religious problem....it is a psychological one. Or a sociological one, perhaps....or a psychiatric one, if you are a low graduating M.D. ()

Sexual Predators can be anywhere....Priests, pastors, teachers, doctors, even psychologists......anyone who wants to use and abuse power to take care of the vulnerable.
I searched for a good online article that addresses this but the limits of time
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...xual-predators

I know Psychology Today is to psychology as what Popular Photography is to fine art.....

That being said, they bring up some valid points. The Illness, the personality disorders of these people, that is the problem. They are sexual predators because of the underlying mental illness they have. They care nothing at all about who they harm, they care only about feeding that synapse of the brain at that moment....like a heroin addict getting that fix....or a food addict getting that candy bar....all that matters at the moment is getting that control in order to get that gratification.

There is a good student thesis here outlining the prevalence of personality disorders in sexual offenders.
https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/v...ontext=jj_etds

I do not know about the rest of you, but I have talked with way too many pastors, priests and such who obviously had some serious personality disorders at work. Not to say that they are all like that. But to say that a position of power, like clergy, might attract a certain type of person who has aspirations of using that office for abuse, well, that may be a valid hypothesis. There are some really mentally ill people on a church payroll on this country
In response to this statement: "The Illness, the personality disorders of these people, that is the problem. They are sexual predators because of the underlying mental illness they have."

Every time to topic of homosexuality comes up, there is one poster that says that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation, like being gay or lesbian. I hope he reads this thread.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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When I was involved in a newly implemented Catholic "anti-sexual abuse" training, their official in-training excuse was...

"...everyone is doing it, and at equal proportions. Including all the Protestant denominations looked at and secular monotheist organizations like the BoyScouts, etc..."
Even if that's true (and it may be so, or nearly), that is not really the problem; the cover -up and denial was.
Or still is.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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Sexual predators that work for and wear the uniform of god are skum!

Why arenít other xians putting pressure on the Catholics as they do with two concenting people of the same sex?
Maybe the SBC heirarchy is living biblical after all. You know, that "may he without sin cast the first stone" stuff? Or is it "monkey see, monkey do"?

I get the two confused.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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In response to this statement: "The Illness, the personality disorders of these people, that is the problem. They are sexual predators because of the underlying mental illness they have."

Every time to topic of homosexuality comes up, there is one poster that says that pedophilia is just a sexual orientation, like being gay or lesbian. I hope he reads this thread.
Sexual orientation is how one achieves her/his orgasm. Some adults are not sexually attracted to mature/developed bodies.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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Sexual orientation is how one achieves her/his orgasm. Some adults are not sexually attracted to mature/developed bodies.
Cool.

But, don't act on it. Who cares what you are attracted to, as long as the sex you ACT on is between consenting adult humans. Then it's none of our business.

Any other sexual attraction you act on, minors, animals, non-consenting adults or those incapable of consenting due to mental incapacitation, is wrong, immoral and criminal.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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Cool.

But, don't act on it. Who cares what you are attracted to, as long as the sex you ACT on is between consenting adult humans. Then it's none of our business.

Any other sexual attraction you act on, minors, animals, non-consenting adults or those incapable of consenting due to mental incapacitation, is wrong, immoral and criminal.
Outside of pedophilia and animal abuse, I don't know why anyone has to know or wants to know how others achieve their orgasms.
I guess it's a good thing sometimes to Paul Revere your sexual orientation, especially if you're attracted to objects so that you can call first dibs as the lady did with the Eiffel Tower.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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Cool.

But, don't act on it. Who cares what you are attracted to, as long as the sex you ACT on is between consenting adult humans. Then it's none of our business.

Any other sexual attraction you act on, minors, animals, non-consenting adults or those incapable of consenting due to mental incapacitation, is wrong, immoral and criminal.
Yes. Thought crime is a non -starter, really. So, what one thinks or likes is irrelevant until there is action. Some say simply saying it is bad enough.

The two key hurdles when one is acting, is the consent, and the ability to consent. There is then the debating area of 'Well they may seem to consent, but they are really being coerced..' That is a valid problem, but not a valid objection. Nobody uses abuses as a reason to shut down the whole activity - you stop the abuses.

Some may say 'Physician, heal thyself - don't I use the Priest -scandal as a reason to shut down the catholic Church?' No, I don't. The ongoing denial and cover up was an abuse that should have been corrected, but they covered it up and (I believe) are still doing it.

If another Big Stink brought down the Vatican in rubble and eliminated Catholicism, I'd be fine with it, but because it was false for evidential reasons - in my view, not because it had permitted abuses.
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Old 02-14-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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Default And now this....

The situation just gets worse even.

Southern Baptist minister list included sex offenders
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Why are you bringing Michael Jackson into the discussion?
sex scandals + Famous people

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