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Old 02-10-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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Abuse of Faith;
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms


A 6-month-long investigation by the Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News finds that, over the past decade, more than 380 staffers or volunteers with Southern Baptist churches were charged with sex crimes against more than 700 victims. Apparently, many of those were shunned by their churches. Not the perpetrators, but the victims. What is wrong with these people???

What's with this "blame the victim" mentality so many faiths practice? Is it because the rape victim didn't scream loud enough, or because there were not 2 witnesses? You know, the biblical standard.

Good grief, some of the perpetrators who are registered sex-offenders are back in the pulpit. Really?

Rather than with faith all things are possible, it seems that with faith all things are A-OK, as long as the criminal "repents", preferably in Jimmy Swaggart style

This is the first of three parts. Looks like it will be as much of an expose as the St. Petersburg Times did on Scientology. The truth will always come out in the end.

Those that continue to go to these churches, and contribute by their donations, are complicit in the abuse. Of course, this does not apply to those churches that have properly dealt with the issues, but those that don't, swept things under the rug, or still employ sex offenders, or let them into their leadership. Get out! Leave! There is no honor in staying.

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Old 02-10-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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I believe it happens. But just like with the Catholic church, it's far too easy to "group" these into one organization. There are just as many bad things if not more occurring outside the church. But since none of THOSE can be so easily categorized and grouped together the way that they can in religion, that puts a skewed perspective on things.
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I believe it happens. But just like with the Catholic church, it's far too easy to "group" these into one organization. There are just as many bad things if not more occurring outside the church. But since none of THOSE can be so easily categorized and grouped together the way that they can in religion, that puts a skewed perspective on things.

Your insensitivity to sin (as a christian, one of your favorite things) is staggering.

No one is saying that the general population doesn't commit sexual sins.
We are saying that for a body of religious figures who claim the mantle of teaching people not to sin, to be committing sins is at the very least hypocritical and means they are unqualified to take on the role they have.
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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Your insensitivity to sin (as a christian, one of your favorite things) is staggering.

No one is saying that the general population doesn't commit sexual sins.
We are saying that for a body of religious figures who claim the mantle of teaching people not to sin, to be committing sins is at the very least hypocritical and means they are unqualified to take on the role they have.
But even for the ones who have fallen into these scandals, they have done a lot of good as well. There is good and bad in everyone. I even know of one of these ministers who did do a lot of good and was helpful to many people and was held in high regard. Often people who do good are under the attack of temptations from many areas. That certainly doesn't excuse what they did. But their good deeds should not go unnoticed or be forgotten.

Do you dismiss the good deeds done by Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc, after learning about scandalous activity in their lives?
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:51 PM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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But even for the ones who have fallen into these scandals, they have done a lot of good as well. There is good and bad in everyone. I even know of one of these ministers who did do a lot of good and was helpful to many people and was held in high regard. Often people who do good are under the attack of temptations from many areas. That certainly doesn't excuse what they did. But their good deeds should not go unnoticed or be forgotten.

Do you dismiss the good deeds done by Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc, after learning about scandalous activity in their lives?
It certainly sounds like you are excusing what they did because they also did some good things.

Abuse of children by their moral authorities is not something comparable to JFK or MLK having extramarital affairs with adult women (knowledge or consent of spouses unknown).
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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But even for the ones who have fallen into these scandals, they have done a lot of good as well. There is good and bad in everyone. I even know of one of these ministers who did do a lot of good and was helpful to many people and was held in high regard. Often people who do good are under the attack of temptations from many areas. That certainly doesn't excuse what they did. But their good deeds should not go unnoticed or be forgotten.

Do you dismiss the good deeds done by Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc, after learning about scandalous activity in their lives?
No sir. Sin is sin. Wrong is wrong. You don't make-up for sins you have committed. They stand on their own merit (or lack thereof).

As far as the heroes you mention...there good deeds stand on their own, and their bad deeds (sin) still stand on their own. To claim otherwise is indicative of loose morals.
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:58 PM
 
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It certainly sounds like you are excusing what they did because they also did some good things.

Abuse of children by their moral authorities is not something comparable to JFK or MLK having extramarital affairs with adult women (knowledge or consent of spouses unknown).
Christians tend to be forgiving people in case you hadn't noticed. Not only of other Christians either. Or have you only paid attention to the other kinds which make better headlines and stories, usually in easy to read formats with lots of pictures.
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Old 02-10-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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someday the sex scables will be as great some secular endeavors.
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Christians tend to be forgiving people in case you hadn't noticed. Not only of other Christians either. Or have you only paid attention to the other kinds which make better headlines and stories, usually in easy to read formats with lots of pictures.
Actually, I have found christians to be very forgiving...of themselves.
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Old 02-10-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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But even for the ones who have fallen into these scandals, they have done a lot of good as well. There is good and bad in everyone. I even know of one of these ministers who did do a lot of good and was helpful to many people and was held in high regard. Often people who do good are under the attack of temptations from many areas. That certainly doesn't excuse what they did. But their good deeds should not go unnoticed or be forgotten.

Do you dismiss the good deeds done by Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc, after learning about scandalous activity in their lives?
As far as I know Gandhi, MLK, Kennedy, etc., weren't pedophiles.
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