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Old 05-02-2019, 10:52 PM
 
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I think you are not as confused as you are pretending to be.
Are you psychologically projecting without realizing it? Or is it just Irony. Or both?
I merely had a typo (although still understandable) in my tldr bolded shorthand of the point.

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There are patrerns in nature that are not designed. And there is no design in nature.
Is that what you are saying in a nutshell?
In a nutshell, all that we can say given the evidence is that there are patterns in nature. So you are only partly right about your (largely otherifying me as anti-agnostic) reiteration: we cannot yet say that nature is at it honestly and testably appears to us (natural, not supernatural, or hypersupernatural, etc) or instead that it is designed by non-God aliens or by Gods.

Again, there are patterns in nature. There are patterns in everything.
There would have to be patterns in Allah(s), that is, in any imagined and possibly meaningful (for not being chaotic Gaps/Voids) God(s). Meaningless Creator Gods that have no patterns (and thus definitely no marks of design or "creation") might include the Ancient Greek Void. Definitely not a contractually patterned Allah, faithfully patterned Jesus-Yahweh-Dove, or choosily constant Yahweh. Such patterned possible sentient beings might have been created and designed without their own knowledge, or not created or designed although they supposedly follow trustable patterns.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:33 AM
 
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Heaven is not a place.

The temple becomes a city, and it is not a place, it is an outcome.

You are the temple, the city.


The highest promise and goal would not be believed if it was told. We are in fact, in a race, and those who race, they know what the high prize happens to be, and that is why they race.


Sadly, very few people know they are in a race, they stand still as runners make their rounds and they wonder why others are even running.

They literally don't know it's a race to a high prize, and even if they knew they were in a race, they don't have a clue what the high prize is.

Set your goal on the high prize and it will give you strength to run the race, but when you don't know what the prize is, what good is running?

What are you running towards? I don't believe I have made it to the high prize yet, but I know why I run, I know what the prize is.
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Are you psychologically projecting without realizing it? Or is it just Irony. Or both?
I merely had a typo (although still understandable) in my tldr bolded shorthand of the point.



In a nutshell, all that we can say given the evidence is that there are patterns in nature. So you are only partly right about your (largely otherifying me as anti-agnostic) reiteration: we cannot yet say that nature is at it honestly and testably appears to us (natural, not supernatural, or hypersupernatural, etc) or instead that it is designed by non-God aliens or by Gods.

Again, there are patterns in nature. There are patterns in everything.
There would have to be patterns in Allah(s), that is, in any imagined and possibly meaningful (for not being chaotic Gaps/Voids) God(s). Meaningless Creator Gods that have no patterns (and thus definitely no marks of design or "creation") might include the Ancient Greek Void. Definitely not a contractually patterned Allah, faithfully patterned Jesus-Yahweh-Dove, or choosily constant Yahweh. Such patterned possible sentient beings might have been created and designed without their own knowledge, or not created or designed although they supposedly follow trustable patterns.
OK, so why don't you just say it in a simple straight forward basic English sentence that "you believe that there is no design in universe and in nature"?
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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OK, so why don't you just say it in a simple straight forward basic English sentence that "you believe that there is no design in universe and in nature"?
Why would I have to lie one way, or the other, to myself?

I believe that there is likely no human-experienced design in the universe from natural aliens or from Gods (unnatural aliens) like I believe that Santa Clause does not exist. Which is to say, confessing my agnosticism and acknowledging the problem of Solipsism.

How can we test if any pattern would require an unpatterned (which is to say as the Dao/Tao: indescribable) designer?
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