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Old 02-18-2019, 07:39 PM
 
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well, to fair. the bottom line is its a lousy teaching.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:53 PM
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Then you need to think more carefully how you compose your posts.
Maybe you need to not assume the worst.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:56 PM
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Does anyone represent the whole of any philosophy or religion?

The point is, his comments were insensitive. I have a pretty thick skin, so I really don't give a fiddlers hoot of what one thinks of me or says too me or of me.

However, when it comes to children, and especially seeing how toxic, even if unwittingly, fundamentalist religion, in this case Christianity, and especially when my grandson is impacted so negatively, I see red. There are no excuses for the environment that causes this... none. As mentioned, when my daughter contacted the parents involve, they handled it well, and I give them credit for that. But the issue is that there is an environment were adults teach children this garbage, and the rest of us are just suppose to sit back and accept it.

No. A thousand times NO! It is not acceptable, and no spin or excuse will ever make it so. Quit terrorizing your children about hell. Just stop.
Parents also teach their kids that certain people are inferior. Youíre never going to fully stop meanness.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Really? It's up to my grandson's parents to console him? Of course they did, many times.

But the responsibility of the cause of his distress is the fundamental, magical thinking and indoctrination of a belief system of other children, who tell him stories of burning in a hell, and tell him because he doesn't believe in a god, he is doomed. The abuse is the indoctrination of these children by religion. Have all the freedom of religion you want, but the moment your religion impacts me or others, in this case my grandson, your freedom of religion has gone too far, is out of bounds, and needs to be curtailed.

Full stop. I don't care if your a Muslim, Christian or jungle medicine shaman. When your beliefs cause others stress, you are the responsible one, no one else.
Another child causing your child (or grandchild) stress is different than a criminal act of abuse. Iím sure there are many emotional hurts a child will suffer - but thatís the role of the parents (and grandparents) to guide, teach, and console. Itís not Ďmyí freedom of religion, itís the law. I am not a Christian.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:09 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Do you think that law should be changed? I'm not talking about getting into people's personal business and telling them what to believe. I'm talking about a church telling people that God wants them to deny medical treatment or they will be punished. Shouldn't that church be open to action by the injured parties? I'm talking about a church telling people that God will send them to hell if they don't buy their product. Shouldn't there be a remedy for people injured by that? If these holymen really believe they have Gods blessing then God will provide and they should keep preaching the same message. If they tailor their message to be more profitable then everyone wins anyway.
If a child is being injured, neglected, physically or emotionally abused, of course there should be intervention. There’s a big difference between child abuse, though, and another child telling OPs grandson something that made him cry or be fearful.

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Old 02-18-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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If a child is being injured, neglected, physically or emotionally abused, of course there should be intervention. Thereís a big difference between child abuse, though, and another child telling OPs grandson something that made him cry or fearful.
I was more talking about the 2 boys being subjected to this that they feel the need to warn their friend. If they grow up and can show damages I think the Church should be held liable financially.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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But the responsibility of the cause of his distress is the fundamental, magical thinking and indoctrination of a belief system of other children, who tell him stories of burning in a hell, and tell him because he doesn't believe in a god, he is doomed. The abuse is the indoctrination of these children by religion.
If your child is so frightened by what this other child tells him, perhaps itís time to remove said child as a friend? Not every kid is a positive influence; and if your grandchild is that terrified, some sort of action should be taken.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:29 PM
 
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Parents also teach their kids that certain people are inferior. Youíre never going to fully stop meanness.
Can just imagine what you taught your kid. Hope to god you didnít breed.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I really don't have an answer. I mean if there is one area I am stumped in its this one.

we need accountability. Its human. how do we get it?
There is accountability for criminal abuse and neglect, Arach. But we also have freedom of religion.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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Can just imagine what you taught your kid. Hope to god you didnít breed.
Well, that was rude.
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