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Old 03-01-2019, 08:18 PM
Status: "Mostly gruntled." (set 7 days ago)
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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WBC picketed her.
They have extra hate to spread around.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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They have extra hate to spread around.
I thought it was hysterical. No matter how holy someone thinks their actions are there is always someone waiting to show them up.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:11 AM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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Gosh, wouldn't that be kind of like socialism if she wants the taxpayer to pay her legal fees?
Well, that's the great thing about the 'OMG, socialism!' boogeyman - it's only socialism if the person using that snarl term doesn't like it.

The National Weather Service. Streetlights. Yellowstone National Park. Snow removal. Hoover Dam. Roads and highways and freeways. Public universities. Sewer systems. Farm subsidies. Bridges. Public libraries. Fire departments. The list is almost endless. All examples of government controlling a means of production, and doing so by means of disproportionate wealth distribution. And, generally, all accepted as proper and reasonable government actions.
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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First rule of law for a Christian is that he has to obey the laws of the land because the swordbearer does not carry the sword in vain, those who reject the laws of the land should fear.
But if the Bible becomes the law of the land..
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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WBC picketed her.
Goddammit to hell and back - they did...and they made sense.

"She should obey the law...she should do her job..then come and join us after work in our protesting against gay marriage'

But then, One can't deny that some people broke the law because of what they believed. The law is intended to be just. Sometimes it isn't. It wasn't when being gay was illegal. Now it isn't. I can understand people who believe things even contrary to the law. I think she should do her job or not get paid for it. There was a compromise. I think her beliefs morally wrong. Religion doesn't make it right.
The people should not pay her legal fees.
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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But if the Bible becomes the law of the land..
...which it never will as long as some of us are still breathing...
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Old 03-03-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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Unfortunately, people as yourself can only view the situation from one perspective. Here is a non-religious take on it:



https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/1...rhea-karuturi/


Unfortunately, people as yourself can not look beyond "well she had a job to do and refused to do it."
Do you even understand what a "moral duty" is, Jeff?

As a Christian, no doubt she thinks she gets her morality from the Bible. What she did by refusing to issue gay marriage licenses was to force her so-called "morals" onto the rest of society - and she has no right to do that.

One thing that has pushed me from mere "atheist" to "anti-theist" is how far too many Christians in this country think they can use their shop counters, their pharmacies, their businesses, and their bakeries as their own private pulpit from which they can refuse service to people not in line with their SO-CALLED Biblical morality. And it doesn't matter what YOU believe in - those people don't care. You know what that's called? A complete, utter, and total lack of respect for other people's beliefs.

And no, I don't HAVE to respect her beliefs because she is using those beliefs in an aggressive, offensive manner - essentially using her position as a roadblock for gay couples to do what is LEGAL in this country: get married.

It's no different than those irritating pharmacists who refuse to honor a legal scrip for birth control and other contraception. They don't even care why you had it prescribed since birth control is often prescribed for a number of other common conditions aside from use as a contraception. I had two friends who took "the pill" to treat the psorisis.

But that doesn't matter to these idiots - the only thing that matters to them is their god. And ... that is a case in point why any religion that tells you to put god above any- and everything and everyone else is socially corrosive.

If you find yourself in a position where you can no longer do your job because your job requires you to commit an act you find immoral, you QUIT.

You do NOT sit there in that position and act as a blocker wall to everyone who needs you to fulfill your duty. What she did was the faith-based equivalent of a sit-down strike or just plain civil disobedience.

I have said many times that there are three categories of morality:

1) "Moral" morality: murder, theft, rape, pedophilia, torture, kidnapping, abuse, domestic violence, extortion, coersion - essentially these are acts that have victims and quite often does bodily harm, to say nothing of psychological and emotional harm.

2) Civil Morality: paying your taxes, obeying the speed limit, obtaining the proper permits for various projects, not parking in front of fire hydrants, etc.

3) Religious morality: marriage is for Christians, women should keep their heads covered, modesty rules, the best way to pray, profanity, fornication, and the like.

Of all three of those kinds of morality, the only WORTHLESS and unsubstantiated form of morality is religious morality. All that does is try to modify your behavior to conform to what some ancient goatherder thinks is the best way to live. If religious morality disappeared tomorrow, the only difference is that people would have greater freedom to make personal choices.

What Kim did was foist her religious morality onto every person who walked into her office - straight or gay. (Because being allowed a license while refusing it to others is also an exercise in moral discrimination.).

Her moral duty was not to sit there and refuse licenses to gay couples. Her moral duty was to either 1) QUIT or 2) obey the law - which is to issue legal marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Because I can guarantee it that if restaurant employees stopped serving bacon because it offended their Muslim religious morals, those same Christians (including you, Jeff) would NOT be saying they had to perform their moral duty. You'd want your bacon ... now ... and your Muslim morals matter not a whit to me.

But, because you're a Christian and Kim is a Christian, you feel the need to bend over backwards in an effort to defend her - no matter what.

No ... matter ... what.
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Old 03-03-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Fine post. Welcome back
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Old 03-03-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Nantahala National Forest, NC
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She disobeyed the law and her superiors. She denied the civil rights of individuals and she overran the religious rights of those she supervised. And she disobeyed a court order issued by a devout Christian who himself was opposed to SSM but not the rights of the law of the land. Why don't her supporters pay for her legal fees? Perhaps because she lost and has a lesser value for photo ops?


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Old 03-03-2019, 10:26 AM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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Fine post. Welcome back
Hi there, Rufius.
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