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Old Yesterday, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Thus, God simply chooses Not to know our choices in advance.
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Well, Matthew, it's been rare that I've ever seen even christians tell us exactly how god thinks and acts.
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Old Yesterday, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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This assumes that the only two possibilities are:
1. God decreased violent crime in answer to prayer.
2. It was random chance.
But aren't there other possibilities?
I'm not doing the assuming.
I don't even know if TM people believe in God. I don't remember saying God decreased crime....Other possibilities?
Ah... yeah...I'm not here to defend the darn Universe...I placed links so if anyone is interested
Gregg Braden is your man.
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But, that wasn't the question. Thrillobyte offered a prayer, which you stated would not be answered as he is not a believer. This is a Biblical POV and I accept it. What if you, a believer, were to pray for the starving children? What would happen? You claim God miraculously heals people because you ask him to. Would he feed starving children if you asked?
Did I say cuz he was not a believer or did I say he had attitude which is a set up for failure...in anything, looking for a job...

Jesus did not/does not have the only edge on answered prayer...as far as Bible point of view comment.
No I couldn't have 'asked Him', I don't ask...I don't believe I would ever say it that way.
I remember saying I don't go into a room to heal someone saying..."In Jesus' name,' and
expecting anything. If not, I'm saying it now.

The thread's intention was to learn how the System works, so as not to think God doesn't ans prayers for feeding kids..how this whole thing of blaming God for starving children is a none issue...or bringing up why don't I pray for something...
I can't play the game of ''if'' I asked something.
Been around this forum too long...and I play pool.
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Old Yesterday, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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but yes, does a building have traits just before we build it from the prints? You could say "it doesn't have literal traits". But I would say that the building couldn't be built without any concept of traits.
That was a great response! You're not just a pretty face I see.
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Old Yesterday, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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May I ask, who then are you praying to? Who is performing the miraculous healing?
I think prayer is personal...how about to both questions I could say the Powers That Be....
conceptualized by many names by many cultures.
An 'Angel' reference.


But, again this thread is not about 'me'.
Added: I went back to see and I never said "God" in the op...and my 2nd post brought up God only in reference to Moses thing.
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Old Today, 01:20 AM
 
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Except you mentioned the scale of influence individually is limited - which is really nothing more than saying ‘more people united toward a common goal can cause more change’. Well, yeah - that’s rather obvious! How does God or prayer even enter into that equation, then?
Well in my view, WE are embryonic cells of God, not separate beings.
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Old Today, 01:21 AM
 
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May I ask, who then are you praying to? Who is performing the miraculous healing?
God is through us because we are part and parcel of God.
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Old Today, 01:24 AM
 
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May I ask, who then are you praying to? Who is performing the miraculous healing?
God is, as represented by us, and the scale of our effect is determined by how many of us sincerely desire it.
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Old Today, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Thanks.

Gregg Braden speaks extensively on what the 'tipping point' to effect change is...it was the proverbial 100th monkey that changed it all on an island...there's even a book about it.

Meditation, Prayer and Intent...from an article..
4000 did this in '93
In 1993 a successful experiment was performed in Washington DC in America to demonstrate
the effect of a large group of transcendental meditators on crime levels.
In fact, the findings later showed that the rate of violent crime decreased by 23 percent during the June 7 to July 30 experimental period.
The odds of this result occurring by chance are less than 2 in 1 billion.

Btw, if anyone else would like to suggest for me to pray, as if they know anything about what
I actually do or think no one has ever said that, lol, thinking it uniquely clever...I say always...
'You pray'.
Another possibility is a good percentage of the would be miscreants were at the demonstration, praying

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-us-prisoners/
religious affiliation of inmates in U.S. prisons
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Old Today, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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I think the main thing is there is power in numbers, is all.

Would you be as psyched at a Queen concert all alone....or more in a crowd?
Focused mind power is intense.
Ha, imagine someone hated you and was giving you the evil eye....now imagine they got 25
of their friends to sit and all give you the evil eye....while taking a test! Ha!
There IS a difference!
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Old Today, 11:05 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Well in my view, WE are embryonic cells of God, not separate beings.
So you are saying, in essence, we are all God (and not separate). That is really nothing more than a creative way of saying we control our own lives and are responsible for our own resolution to world hunger (and prayer is useless), which is my point. You are defining God as an energy - which is nothing more than our conscience.
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