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Old 03-01-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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The vast majority of "Christians" bear little to no resemblance to Jesus as depicted in the Bible. I don't think this is news. It's not just the things you call out by name here, either. We see a great deal of dishonesty from self-titled Christians on these forums. And I think we all know how God feels about liars.

And, on that/those points...you would be most correct.
As I said...a huge enemy of Christianity...is Christians themselves.

I don't claim to be the standard bearer for "True Christianity" but...I'll try to the best of my ability to be, at least, somewhat, Christlike.
As is said (in reference to several topics actually)...it's easy to talk the talk. The test is do you walk the walk?
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Old 03-01-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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WELL...I'm still a newbie at this place. I really was, originally, a "Casual Visitor".

At least, after this, I have my first original post under my belt...for better or worse, I'm at least not a TOTAL newbie here. *nods*

I chose this title to leave it reasonably wide open...and, I chose it because the "Why Christians hate Atheists" (or something like that) was where I first posted in this place.

I guess I'll open with this...If I may...
I've visited several threads and done some reading. I've seen some immense intelligence. Yes, for real. There are a few, what I would call, brilliant minds here.

Having said that, I've also noted one other thing...and I see it often. Arrogance, Pride, Conceit is rampant. I've seen rudeness, I've seen lambasting and abusing, I've seen something, at least, approaching hatred.

I've seen it from atheists and...I've seen it from those identifying themselves as Christians.

And, that will be my first pointed comment.

Christians...if you are truly a Christian...simply put--grow up and go back to Scripture. Your arrogance, pride, "holier than thou" attitude is an abomination.

Jesus did NOT teach this in the least. In fact, if you do study Scripture, you'll see He often came down on the religious leaders of His day--the Pharisees--more harshly than anyone else. He called them a brood of vipers, white washed tombs, the blind leading the blind...they were prideful, arrogant, conceited, know it alls...they worshiped---themselves.

I don't see dead people...but, I do see...modern day Pharisees.

Further, Paul was clear in Romans 12, for example..."do not think more highly of yourself than you ought..." Read and heed.

I am a Christian. Jesus is the Lord and Savior of my life. I am not perfect...I fall and fail...but my hope, my prayer, my heart's desire is to--on this topic--respect and love other's as I love myself. I may disagree with their life choices, I may disagree with their thinking...but, I'll still strive to honor and respect them.

I'm rambling, so I'll stop...I suffer from "run off" of the keyboard.
The same Jesus also chased out the money changers from the temple in anger. A righteous anger against sin and lies is not being prideful or arrogant. If we remain silent then we will see Christianity eventually be completely stripped or even banned from society. If we do not speak out against atheists then things like this will keep happening


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An atheist groupís attempt to remove a cross-shaped World War I monument in Maryland has garnered backlash from service members who view the case as an attack on American values and those who have died defending them.

The nearly 100-year-old Peace Cross, constructed between 1919 and 1925, faces potential demolition, pending a ruling from the Supreme Court, The Daily Signal reported.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/no...-scotus-ruling
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Old 03-01-2019, 11:30 AM
 
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The same Jesus also chased out the money changers from the temple in anger. A righteous anger against sin and lies is not being prideful or arrogant. If we remain silent then we will see Christianity eventually be completely stripped or even banned from society. If we do not speak out against atheists then things like this will keep happening

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/no...-scotus-ruling
"Things like this" will keep happening, because America is not a Theocracy. It never has been.

Too bad that CV's point went right over your head.
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Old 03-01-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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I am an atheist; there are some things on a public forum you must take at face value (and why you would even care is another matter). It is not up to you to ‘police’ the forum by interrogation or accusation because ‘we’ve had a couple’. If you suspect someone is in ‘disguise’, then take appropriate action outside of the thread.

And, I am not against atheists speaking out (or I wouldn’t be here - lol). I’m against anti-theistic dogma (but still believe in your right to preach it).
So far as i know, there is nothing in the ToS to act against a Sheep in Wolf's clothing. The only thing we can do is to suss them out and expose them. A couple have turned out to be genuine atheists. It really is quite a side line to the general discussion and certainly should not be used to try to discredit the views of those who follow that sideline. And while i can roll with the 'anti -theist' label, I don't accept 'dogma'. There is no dogma - only discussion.

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In your opinion, what is "anti-theistic dogma"?
A fair question, but I think I could write it myself. 'An implacable mission to obliterate Christianity and a a demand that all atheist should adhere to that aim and agenda or be excommunicated and forbidden to call themselves atheists ever again'.

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The same Jesus also chased out the money changers from the temple in anger. A righteous anger against sin and lies is not being prideful or arrogant. If we remain silent then we will see Christianity eventually be completely stripped or even banned from society. If we do not speak out against atheists then things like this will keep happening




https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2018/no...-scotus-ruling
Why Jeff, old mate. How nice of you to drop in. Thank you for setting out the Atheist Dogma so well well. That'll save CC from having to think one up himself.

I suppose by the way that the cross was removed, not because it was a Christian symbol but that it was on government property? Separation of Church and sate, and all that?

Yep. "According to the secular group, taxpayer-funded government maintenance of the cross-shaped monument violates the First Amendment by promoting the religion of Christianity."
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Old 03-01-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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In your opinion, what is "anti-theistic dogma"?
Spreading the principle of anti-theism as if it correlates to (or is a product of) atheism.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Spreading the principle of anti-theism as if it correlates to (or is a product of) atheism.
And "the principle of anti-theism" is most like which of these:

1. Stop forcing your God on me.
2. I will take your God away from you.

?
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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So far as i know, there is nothing in the ToS to act against a Sheep in Wolf's clothing. The only thing we can do is to suss them out and expose them. A couple have turned out to be genuine atheists. It really is quite a side line to the general discussion and certainly should not be used to try to discredit the views of those who follow that sideline. And while i can roll with the 'anti -theist' label, I don't accept 'dogma'. There is no dogma - only discussion.



A fair question, but I think I could write it myself. 'An implacable mission to obliterate Christianity and a a demand that all atheist should adhere to that aim and agenda or be excommunicated and forbidden to call themselves atheists ever againt[/i]y."
Actually, I believe there is, especially if it is done to harass or spam the forum. Regardless, despite what you ‘believe’, it is not up to you to try to ‘call anyone out’ in the forum because that can be interpreted as harassment. I’m an atheist.

Yes, there is only a discussion - about spreading your anti-theist dogma.

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Old 03-01-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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And "the principle of anti-theism" is most like which of these:

1. Stop forcing your God on me.
2. I will take your God away from you.

?
The principle of anti-theism is an OPPOSITION to the belief in a God whereas as atheists, we do not believe in God or gods. It is not one and the same.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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And "the principle of anti-theism" is most like which of these:

1. Stop forcing your God on me.
2. I will take your God away from you.

?
this is not anti-theism. anti theist answer to a statement of belief about god. anti-theist sect of atheism first question is "how theist will the information against us?"

I mean your presentation is romantic and all. But then again so is fundy theism's presentation. I mean who doesn't like the idea of an imaginary beast (here a religious monster)being responsible for us? It makes life so much easier not having to take responsibility.
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:33 PM
 
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The principle of anti-theism is an OPPOSITION to the belief in a God whereas as atheists, we do not believe in God or gods. It is not one and the same.
I am just trying to understand what it is you mean by "anti-theistic dogma". So opposition to a belief in a god manifests itself, how?
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