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Old Yesterday, 05:44 PM
 
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Religion does not belong in government and governing...not at all, IMO.
The reason it is, and has always been, so prevalent in the U.S....is because of the actions of those so-called Founding Fathers. They instigated it...and saw to it that it was ingrained and locked in.
You may have a point. I've sometimes wondered - if the USA had a state church it might be as irreligious as the UK right now. However, it is what it is and we (or you, rather) have the constitution as a paper wall.
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Old Yesterday, 05:48 PM
 
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True. There is an evolution to the intangibles of our humanity just as there is to our physical bodies. It can be as unfair to judge our lack of humanity in a specific area where we had not collectively evolved the sensitivity to it as it would be to judge our lack of upright bipedal walking before we evolved the appropriate pelvis.
I think that's a fair observation. Human morality has moved on and laws have been changed to keep pace with it. Hopefully for the better. How to reconcile a Book that has been rather left behind with the modern moral codes is something that the religious have to work out. You have simply rejected the old barbaric stuff. Well -I have myself. As I say - we agree on more..
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Old Yesterday, 05:53 PM
 
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Religion does not belong in government and governing...not at all, IMO.
The reason it is, and has always been, so prevalent in the U.S....is because of the actions of those so-called Founding Fathers. They instigated it...and saw to it that it was ingrained and locked in.
Or, the actions of the political being in bed with the religious.
The ' religious ', so to speak, want to crown and de -throne kings ( the political )
(That is why Napoleon instead crowned himself )
The 'religious ' have been useful to the political in that the ' religious ' has even used the pulpit as a recruiting station so that parents will sacrifice their young on the Altar of War as if that is the same thing as the Altar of God. It's Not.

In ancient Israel it was a theocracy (Daniel 2:44) or theocratic government.
No, Not the modern-day definition of theocracy defined as: clergy rule or rule by clergy class.
Rather, God's theocratic rule was the old Constitution of the Mosaic Law ( but only for ancient Israel ) - Romans 10:4
Jesus gave us a NEW commandment to cover all the old as found at John 13:34-35.
We are Now to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self.
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Old Yesterday, 05:56 PM
 
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I think that's a fair observation. Human morality has moved on and laws have been changed to keep pace with it. Hopefully for the better. How to reconcile a Book that has been rather left behind with the modern moral codes is something that the religious have to work out. You have simply rejected the old barbaric stuff. Well -I have myself. As I say - we agree on more..
Is it human morality, or 'human immorality' that has moved on - Sodom and Gomorrah.
Human laws to keep pace with human immorality or modern immoral codes.
The religious do Not have to work out anything because God's judgement is already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
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Old Yesterday, 06:00 PM
 
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Is it human morality, or 'human immorality' that has moved on - Sodom and Gomorrah.
Human laws to keep pace with human immorality or modern immoral codes.
The religious do Not have to work out anything because God's judgement is already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
Human morality. It may look like immorality to you, but then Christian 'Morality' doesn't impress me very much. Some may be satisfied with the instructions in the Bible, but we have already seen here that a great many Christians here have already preferred Some Human Morality (or immorality, if you prefer) to what's in the Bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2wmj4ZImck

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Old Today, 09:33 AM
 
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Is it human morality, or 'human immorality' that has moved on - Sodom and Gomorrah.
Human laws to keep pace with human immorality or modern immoral codes.
The religious do Not have to work out anything because God's judgement is already recorded in Scripture for all to see.
Yet we no longer keep slaves. Or follow the OT laws.
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