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Old 03-01-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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I think that is the definition used on an atheist website; I have seen something similar. ‘Outspoken’ is a subjective term and requires the reader to draw a conclusion which is not measurable. Many atheists are outspoken about their personal disbeliefs in a God - that is NOT anti-theism.

The definition is simple.

Anti-theism: opposition to the belief in the existence of a God or Gods

The key word is OPPOSITION.
Opposition to the belief as it impacts oneself? Or just in general?

I am very much opposed to others legislating their religious beliefs and forcing them onto me. If that makes me anti-theist, I will wear the title with pride.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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Opposition to the belief as it impacts oneself? Or just in general?

I am very much opposed to others legislating their religious beliefs and forcing them onto me. If that makes me anti-theist, I will wear the title with pride.


Anti-theism is the opposition to the belief in a God - not just a personal disbelief.

I’m atheist, and I don’t want to hear preaching - but that’s not ‘anti-theism’ in itself.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Excuse me , but well, DUH! Of course, we 'object'.
Now, the reasons for that opposition may be emotional (possible to discount) or reasonable , such as to make sure those beliefs do not infiltrate or affect the lives of non believers or even those of another 'belief system'
You are blurring atheism and anti-theism. I don’t believe in God - but I don’t have a hot-headed objection/opposition to someone else believing in God.

That’s the difference between ‘anti-theism’ and atheism.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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Actually, I believe there is, especially if it is done to harass or spam the forum. Regardless, despite what you ‘believe’, it is not up to you to try to ‘call anyone out’ in the forum because that can be interpreted as harassment. I’m an atheist.

Yes, there is only a discussion - about spreading your anti-theist dogma.
As I see it, the discussion is done - I'm already having to repeat myself. The only question seems to be - how do I handle what seems to be forming up into an obsessive vendetta? Well, I am not going to get dragged into another heated exchange so I will have to leave it to others. You can claim victory if you like.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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I am just trying to understand what it is you mean by "anti-theistic dogma". So opposition to a belief in a god manifests itself, how?
It all seems to have got a bit confused.

Let me assist. It is not atheism - which is not believing in any gods. It is about what one decides to do about it. If one engages on a campaign designed to roll back the influence of organised religion in society, this is really what 'anti -theism' relates to, though the term is hardly accurate.

The terms 'Dogma' and Arach's not too far distant 'Fundamentalism' really don't apply at all, but that doesn't trouble the people who toss the epithets at us. The confusion seems to have arisen because of an attempt to make us 'the wrong kind of atheist'. '

Again I reminded of Pref. Stavrakapoulou (and I do hope she had thought it all through and realised who here Friends really are) who declared that she was considered 'the wrong kind of atheist'. Nobody said any such thing; it was surely that she thought Dawkins et. al were the 'wrong kind of atheist'.

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Old 03-01-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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As I see it, the discussion is done - I'm already having to repeat myself. The only question seems to be - how do I handle what seems to be forming up into an obsessive vendetta? Well, I am not going to get dragged into another heated exchange so I will have to leave it to others. You can claim victory if you like.
That’s the difference between you and I - I would never claim ‘victory’ over a forum.

I think atheism loses in your battle - and that, ultimately, is what I want to defend. I want atheism to become more mainstream - and, in my opinion, extremist views of anti-theism do not accomplish that.
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Old 03-01-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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That’s the difference between you and I - I would never claim ‘victory’ over a forum.

I think atheism loses in your battle - and that, ultimately, is what I want to defend. I want atheism to become more mainstream - and, in my opinion, extremist views of anti-theism do not accomplish that.
The difference between us is that I related what the case (on the forum) actually is, as...I forget...a counter to saying what a weak case we had or some such -no. it was about bullying atheists; the present position was won, long and hard. It isn't about waving flags. The difference is that I see things as they are, and not try to pull them about with pejorative epithets and slanted analogies in order to make the facts conform to whatever it is you feel you have to prove.

Poor old Random visitor. His thread has been hi -jacked. I think this discussion should be declared off topic. You have a thread in AA where you can flail away at the Atheist Agenda as much as you like.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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That’s the difference between you and I - I would never claim ‘victory’ over a forum.

I think atheism loses in your battle - and that, ultimately, is what I want to defend. I want atheism to become more mainstream - and, in my opinion, extremist views of anti-theism do not accomplish that.
OK, so much like many other movements which have had a very good base and then were 'taken over' by extremists , the extremists turn those that may have been 'for' the original concept but got turned off by those that carried it too far .
I can see that and do want to withdraw at that point since it ends up being an infight and the 'cause' invariably gets lost.
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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The difference between us is that I related what the case (on the forum) actually is, as...I forget...a counter to saying what a weak case we had or some such -no. it was about bullying atheists; the present position was won, long and hard. It isn't about waving flags. The difference is that I see things as they are, and not try to pull them about with pejorative epithets and slanted analogies in order to make the facts conform to whatever it is you feel you have to prove.

Poor old Random visitor. His thread has been hi -jacked. I think this discussion should be declared off topic. You have a thread in AA where you can flail away at the Atheist Agenda as much as you like.
yeah ... your "answer to anti-religous dogma" or your not a real atheist has won the day

lmao ...

not
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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The difference between us is that I related what the case (on the forum) actually is, as...I forget...a counter to saying what a weak case we had or some such -no. it was about bullying atheists; the present position was won, long and hard. It isn't about waving flags. The difference is that I see things as they are, and not try to pull them about with pejorative epithets and slanted analogies in order to make the facts conform to whatever it is you feel you have to prove.
Like the boy who cried wolf, Arq, your ubiquitous claims of victory have lost all credibility.
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