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Okay, but, what does that mean, in your understanding, and why is it good news?
ETA: I think I should ask, why is it you believe "the world" needs a savior? What do they need to be saved from?
Your last question.
The Christian Bible is my basis for life.
It's very clear. A line has been drawn in the sand between good and evil. There is no middle ground. A day of Judgement is coming. We all have a choice. Accept Jesus or deny Jesus. That choice will determine our eternity after this life.
That's my position and I know it differs from yours. That's cool...I respect you and your belief and hopefully, you respond accordingly to mine.
It's very clear. A line has been drawn in the sand between good and evil. There is no middle ground. A day of Judgement is coming. We all have a choice. Accept Jesus or deny Jesus. That choice will determine our eternity after this life.
That's my position and I know it differs from yours. That's cool...I respect you and your belief and hopefully, you respond accordingly to mine.
I don't have to respect your beliefs to respect you. I held the same beliefs (presumably, based on what you've said so far) for most of my life, but was disabused of many (though not all) of those beliefs precisely because I came to realize they were irrational and not deserving of respect. I came to realize that those beliefs were actually poisoning me and I didn't even realize it.
There is nothing wrong with trying to help someone and you need never feel that this is what's its about. That's how I look at people with strong belief systems. I'm even shunned by my mother until I return to the group and I know she is doing what she's doing in an attempt to save me. I don't see malicious intent behind the preaching.
This is what worked for you though. It will work for other people but not everyone. If a person continues to insist that they know better than me what I need then that comes off as arrogant. Have enough faith in your fellowman that they can find their own way just as you did.
There is nothing wrong with trying to help someone and you need never feel that this is what's its about. That's how I look at people with strong belief systems. I'm even shunned by my mother until I return to the group and I know she is doing what she's doing in an attempt to save me. I don't see malicious intent behind the preaching.
This is what worked for you though. It will work for other people but not everyone. If a person continues to insist that they know better than me what I need then that comes off as arrogant. Have enough faith in your fellowman that they can find their own way just as you did.
Ah, L8, I want to be you when I grow up. You have such a graceful way about you.
It's very clear. A line has been drawn in the sand between good and evil. There is no middle ground. A day of Judgement is coming. We all have a choice. Accept Jesus or deny Jesus. That choice will determine our eternity after this life.
That's my position and I know it differs from yours. That's cool...I respect you and your belief and hopefully, you respond accordingly to mine.
There is a middle ground. between nothing and what you want it to be.
I do not have to accept the magic parts of your belief system. There is just no rational interpretation(s) that says "yeah, that opinion should be weighted equally."
There is a middle ground. between nothing and what you want it to be.
I do not have to accept the magic parts of your belief system. There is just no rational interpretation(s) that says "yeah, that opinion should be weighted equally."
This I agree with.
If christians stuck with the principles outlined in the New Testament (forget about the OT completely), and left out unsubstantiated miracles -- none of which we see occurring in modern times), I'd be a lot more comfortable with many aspects for christianity.
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This I agree with.
If christians stuck with the principles outlined in the New Testament (forget about the OT completely), and left out unsubstantiated miracles -- none of which we see occurring in modern times), I'd be a lot more comfortable with many aspects for christianity.
Jesus is no longer here in the flesh, is why you don't see Him performing miracles. (I do, but that's another story).
Jesus didn't come to Earth to heal the lepers, restore sight to the blind, and to make a paraplegic walk. Miracles.
He used those miracles to prove that he IS the Son of God, so that he would be believed when he said follow me to God, and you are forgiven.
Had he stood there and said I am the Son of God, and can forgive your sins, and I am the way to life everlasting, he'd have gotten tomatoes thrown at him.
But when he miraculously heals the sick in front of people's eyes, well, he's got some cred.
Jesus is no longer here in the flesh, is why you don't see Him performing miracles. (I do, but that's another story).
Jesus didn't come to Earth to heal the lepers, restore sight to the blind, and to make a paraplegic walk. Miracles.
He used those miracles to prove that he IS the Son of God, so that he would be believed when he said follow me to God, and you are forgiven.
Had he stood there and said I am the Son of God, and can forgive your sins, and I am the way to life everlasting, he'd have gotten tomatoes thrown at him.
But when he miraculously heals the sick in front of people's eyes, well, he's got some cred.
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Cred to you, no cred to me.
Well, I don't know about you. If I witnessed a leper suddenly being completely healed in front of my eyes, that would get my attention.
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