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It is strange. You are Stalin, I go dancing in night clubs with elite US sailors.
That makes us strange indeed.
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Originally Posted by OzzyRules
For the RECORD, I want to point out now that Atheists are comparing religion to heroin.
One could use many things as an analogy. You'll get nowhere by trying to pretend it is some kind of pejorative smear. It is an analogy for something that you do not really need, but you get to like it - very much.
I will say, on your side, that people are perfectly entitled to like it if they do. But that cannot be used as a reason why anyone should like it - which is actually what the argument is saying. It feels good, so it Is good.
Historically there have been lots of evil people. Let's not forget about what happened when the atheists took over control in the 20th century. Something people like yourself always like to dismiss or argue away. You don't have to understand religion, I don't even understand everything about religion myself. But we cannot deny reality and facts.
I don't remember any atheists taking over control at any time. I do know of some Marxists taking over control, but that condemns Marxism, not atheism. Don't Christians wave away problems as "Oh - that's people, not Christianity". But a nasty dogma that incorporates irreligion rather than religion - that's atheism, not people.
And most of you were way ahead of me, before I got to your posts.
Ooooops. What a slip up. You're the first 'atheist' I've come across that believes in 'sin'.
It's likely that he doesn't even know where Germany is.
I think he lost it a long time ago but clearly, he needs to increase the dosage of his medication.
WHOOOOOOSH! That was the sound of it flying over your head.
WHOOOOSH! There it is coming back!
Where did they take over and what happened?
Absolute rubbish! Theists do it openly every day.
yeah ... nice try raf. but yet another fail post.
we say theist do it everyday raf. we also ask what type of personality do theist have that do, do it every day? then we ask, does atheism have any people with those personality in it to too? If so, how would atheism look? how would atheism look when it is being expressed by a "fundy-think type" that we see in theism?
The clear answer is "it has to.", any claim to the contrary is clearly less valid.
Then we could argue the validity of pointing them out or not so that we don't hurt atheism.
we could discuss siding with those people at the appropriate time.
But you know, that I know, once we do that the game changes. actually, you might know that. Trans knows tho, thats why he has to get all talk that he perceives as not good marketing strategy for anti-religious/god silenced.
we don't have to buy into your brand of eastern block anti-religious/god. Its a failed system ... get over it and move on.
and no, you definitely don't want me in there. But remember raf, you built your wall to keep people in and information out.
Historically there have been lots of evil people. Let's not forget about what happened when the atheists took over control in the 20th century. Something people like yourself always like to dismiss or argue away. You don't have to understand religion, I don't even understand everything about religion myself. But we cannot deny reality and facts.
But, I have to say, just so we are clear. fundy theism is as dangerous anti-religious socialism. We need to avoid both types of people gaining power.
saying that religion and/or anti-religion is the best way to go is clearly wrong. freedom of religion and separation of church and state are a better way to go. nations focused on a goal do better than nations that don't.
Lining up traits about god with science is clearly better than making up a god based on blind faith and shutting down all open discussion on what god actually may be are. Both are really bad and dangerous for far more people.
we say theist do it everyday raf. we also ask what type of personality do theist have that do, do it every day? then we ask, does atheism have any people with those personality in it to too? If so, how would atheism look? how would atheism look when it is being expressed by a "fundy-think type" that we see in theism?
The clear answer is "it has to.", any claim to the contrary is clearly less valid.
Then we could argue the validity of pointing them out or not so that we don't hurt atheism.
we could discuss siding with those people at the appropriate time.
But you know, that I know, once we do that the game changes. actually, you might know that. Trans knows tho, thats why he has to get all talk that he perceives as not good marketing strategy for anti-religious/god silenced.
we don't have to buy into your brand of eastern block anti-religious/god. Its a failed system ... get over it and move on.
and no, you definitely don't want me in there. But remember raf, you built your wall to keep people in and information out.
Sorry coco but if I thought you knew even the basics of Socialism I'd invite you to come and discuss it in the politics forum but as you clearly don't...I'll just laugh at you instead.
It is sad and unfortunate that Arach seems to equate being non-American with something bad, and implies Rafius and Transponder have lesser opinions because they are not from the US. Ad hominem fallacy and all that.
That is simply another example of blind nationalism linked to religious bigotry. Why should national origin have anything to do with the validity of one's opinion? Why should we link economic politics to religion? Shouldn't we be able to judge these things in separate realms?
It is sad and unfortunate that Arach seems to equate being non-American with something bad, and implies Rafius and Transponder have lesser opinions because they are not from the US. Ad hominem fallacy and all that.
Arach has probably never been outside of the USA. Probably thinks non-Americans have tails.
But, I have to say, just so we are clear. fundy theism is as dangerous anti-religious socialism. We need to avoid both types of people gaining power.
saying that religion and/or anti-religion is the best way to go is clearly wrong. freedom of religion and separation of church and state are a better way to go. nations focused on a goal do better than nations that don't.
Lining up traits about god with science is clearly better than making up a god based on blind faith and shutting down all open discussion on what god actually may be are. Both are really bad and dangerous for far more people.
In honor of St Patrick's day:
"All empty souls tend toward extreme opinions."
William Butler Yeats
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