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Quite the trick that the atheists have conned the powers that be into, isn't it? The "natural" God is NOT presuppositional. That is the "supernatural" God. It is the "Nature" supposition that assigns all existing evidence to a "No God Nature" (which remains just as unexplained as God) and demands proof of God.
Did we con the powers that be, or did a mod get sick of your ignorant and arrogant BS? <- This is a rhetorical question.
I would think Mystic could take his ideas to the science forum without mentioning god at all by asking if people agreed or not as to whether 'nature' is sentient/intelligent.
And/or whether or not there could be some kind of universal consciousness where all our 'thoughts'
[simplyfing here] coalesce.
Those things are what his belief hinges on.
Or the latest science on consciousness and abiogenesis.
I would think Mystic could take his ideas to the science forum without mentioning god at all by asking if people agreed or not as to whether 'nature' is sentient/intelligent.
And/or whether or not there could be some kind of universal consciousness where all our 'thoughts'
[simplyfing here] coalesce.
Those things are what his belief hinges on.
get that man a cigar.
Sometimes, when people use the word "GOD", I just remove it from what they are saying and see if what they are claiming lines up with the science.
Like
"we are ll connected"
"I fell connected to something larger"
"if we all prey it might change things."
"love thy enemy"
or
"made in 6 days"
"glbt are abominations"
"rose from the dead for our sins"
the word "god" is not a measuring device to determine the validity of those claims. How would a fundy theist talk about those things? How would an anti-religous/god talk about them? they both use the word "god "as the meter stick.
I am an anti-religious believer? Theist, right?
Does that count for anything?
My guess is when push comes to shove you answer to truth, justice, and liberty to all first. A group of people sharing experiences about the universe is ok with you ... I am sure of that. I would bet money on it. You would answer to that Even before your god.
I have never heard you say, or even suggest, that we should be basing "how the universe works" on your statement of belief about god. In fact, you seem to be just the opposite. You seem like a person that bases what they believe on what they know, what they have experienced, and accept any new information to weigh accordingly. And, most importantly, will adjust their belief according.
we all have over laps Miss H. Its the personality types that we would list for a literal religionist that are in atheism and trying to save the rest of us with their statement of belief about god that I worry about.
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