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If you're obeying Jesus, Clara, then you're praying with full confidence God will grant your request if you do it in Jesus name, yet millions of parents pray for their cancer-ridden children every year in perfect obedience to Jesus' command and still their sick children die. Explain that one to us, please!
Sometimes God answers those prayers mercifully by granting a fast-track to heaven for a little one who has fallen ill & suffers due to MANS mistakes (nuclear pollution from HUNDREDS of atomic-bomb-tests, chemical pollutions,etc, or even starvation due to MANS greed & pride). Yes, a parent sorrows from the loss (and I have & know others that have) - but that loss is only temporary as the eternal-life is the only one that lasts without end!
Sometimes God answers those prayers mercifully by granting a fast-track to heaven for a little one who has fallen ill & suffers due to MANS mistakes (nuclear pollution from HUNDREDS of atomic-bomb-tests, chemical pollutions,etc, or even starvation due to MANS greed & pride).
One would have thought that the correct actions for a loving, merciful and omnimax deity would have been to prevent the suffering in the first place.
One would have thought that the correct actions for a loving, merciful and omnimax deity would have been to prevent the suffering in the first place.
The Omni's are easy to rebut because they are inherently contradictory and their only justification is human hubris about what their God MUST BE to qualify as God.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
so now we have your "deny anything and everything to stop religion" knowing what the traits of the thing are?
thats just great,
clowns to the left of us and jokers to the right.
They always prefer to rebut the easy stuff (traits) because it makes them feel victorious over God believers, Arach.
They always prefer to rebut the easy stuff (traits) because it makes them feel victorious over God believers, Arach.
We will always be victorious over god-believers because logic, reason and common sense (not to mention science) will always be victorious over superstitious
woo-woo!
The Omni's are easy to rebut because they are inherently contradictory and their only justification is human hubris about what their God MUST BE to qualify as God.
They always prefer to rebut the easy stuff (traits) because it makes them feel victorious over God believers, Arach.
You and you latest disciple (and you are welcome to him) nether think a mental inch beyond your nose, and you, Mystic, make a fetish of never remembering anything.
That you have a god idea that is little more than a Conscious cosmos and without even the first cause argument that you used to assert (at lest by phoo -phhoeing the 'infinite regression absurdity' (which few atheists would disagree with) is irrelevant just as your beliefs are irrelevant because nobody cares. The only reason we respond so much is because you peddle your pet theory so much.
But the fact is that the 'Omnis' - believers are the ones that count, and what their beliefs are is what we respond to - not you. You don't matter, nor any of the other 'cosmos -is God' disciples, and you are welcome to both.
But the fact is that the 'Omnis' - believers are the ones that count, and what their beliefs are is what we respond to - not you. You don't matter, nor any of the other 'cosmos -is God' disciples, and you are welcome to both.
Thanks for that admission of defeat. You confirm Arach's charge that you are only interested in destroying religions, especially the easiest to rebut, and NOT in supporting or defending your disbelief in God against all comers.
The Omni's are easy to rebut because they are inherently contradictory and their only justification is human hubris about what their God MUST BE to qualify as God.
They always prefer to rebut the easy stuff (traits) because it makes them feel victorious over God believers, Arach.
We also give the rebuttal (or at least reason not to believe the sortagod -claim)too, but you 'forget' about that two posts later it seems, on a regular basis.
We rebut it whenever the religious believers (Christians, of various kinds, usually) use the 'Who made everything, then?' argument (1) to base a religion (with various 'Beliefs' about this sorta -god) on. But usually their arguments Are about their 'beliefs'.
But you ought to know all this already, but you just don't seem to remember anything but your own beliefs and prejudices, which you repeat ad nauseam.
(1) I'm not forgetting that recently you have purported to even sideline the question of Cosmic origins on the pretext of it being a 'belief' about the omni - powers of this supposed god.
If Jesus was the smartest man, which he would have to be if he also was a god, then the natural question follows, why didn't he write any parts of the bible? Why did he talk in riddles, rather than clarity for future generations to understand? Why didn't he write in Hebrew, or Aramaic?
If he did, then the argument could be made that at least the NT was the "word of god". But no one is making that claim. Instead, we have this game of telephone, and things were written forty to 100 years after the supposed incidents.
Jesus as god really didn't think this one out, did he?
This was all machinated at the Council at Nicaea. If Jesus had been real he would have given us cures for a whole host of diseases simply by telling us that diseases are caused by these little bugs called microbes and that washing our hands after visiting the toilet would save millions of lives. He could have changed the course of medicine for thousands of years instead of giving us pithy little aphorisms that are found in a dozen other holy books. That he didn't write a single word, that we don't even know his tomb, that he and the apostles don't even appear in the historic record, that the gospels were written in the 2nd century--demonstrates conclusively that he as the son of God is not a historical figure. Some anonymous dude who got crucified probably lived and they attached the name Jesus Christ to him is more logical.
Thanks for that admission of defeat. You confirm Arach's charge that you are only interested in destroying religions, especially the easiest to rebut, and NOT in supporting or defending your disbelief in God against all comers.
You point up your own failure to make valid points, or even listen.
I just explained that we answer all god claims, from First - cause creator (of all religions or none) to a hands on - Cafeteria Christianity -God to Bible literal Yahweh -God.
But you didn't even look at my post. Instead you co -opted Arach's disregard for anything we day and doing the so very theist trick of making false accusations and insisting that they are true. I hope the pair of you will be very happy together. For myself, Arach is the only example of a self -titled Atheists that I have profoundly wished to be rid of.
But it is distressing how many atheists (or so they say) have felt the need to attack atheism. There was a vid (Koolaid) I posted where ..no I didn't post it - I watched it. 5 mistakes atheists (read recent atheists) make. One is being too aggressive, hostile and combatative (damn' another word I can't spell ) and I thought about that a lot as our poster Corporate Cowboy rolled up with just the same point.
Which is relevant because Arach latched onto his 'anti -theist' label with glee, though Arach picks up canards like a bum picking up dog -ends. 'Springboard' Sortagod, all waved around as proof of atheist fundamentalism, personal attacks on him I used the term 'blind flailing'.
We know that theist apologetics very soon reverts to what I call the statue of the eternal theist. Eyes screwed shut, fingers stuffed in ears, mouth open yelling. You can't see the brain, but it's switched to 'Off'. Somehow they have two pairs of arms as one pair has fingers stuffed in ears while the other lash out blindly.
Mystic, you lost credibility some time ago and have few supporters (and you are welcome), but you did himself no favours the first time you posted a to an Arach post simply because he was lashing out at atheism.
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You confirm Arach's charge that you are only interested in destroying religions, especially the easiest to rebut, and NOT in supporting or defending your disbelief in God against all comers.
) and I thought about that a lot as our poster Corporate Cowboy rolled up with just the same point.
because Arach latched onto his 'anti -theist' label with glee, though Arach picks up canards like a bum picking up dog -ends. 'Springboard' Sortagod, all waved around as proof of atheist fundamentalism, personal attacks on him 
to an Arach post simply because he was lashing out at atheism.
