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If Jesus was the smartest man, which he would have to be if he also was a god, then the natural question follows, why didn't he write any parts of the bible? Why did he talk in riddles, rather than clarity for future generations to understand? Why didn't he write in Hebrew, or Aramaic?
If he did, then the argument could be made that at least the NT was the "word of god". But no one is making that claim. Instead, we have this game of telephone, and things were written forty to 100 years after the supposed incidents.
Jesus as god really didn't think this one out, did he?
That's a bit "if". Maybe he wasn't god, and so, wasn't the smartest. You don't have to be the smartest, just to write books, anyway.
That's a bit "if". Maybe he wasn't god, and so, wasn't the smartest. You don't have to be the smartest, just to write books, anyway.
Jesus never claimed to be God.
At John 10:36 that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to answer who he is.
Because the Bible writers were God's secretary, so to speak, they wrote down God's inspired thoughts - 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
Plus, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
Jesus never claimed to be God.
At John 10:36 that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to answer who he is.
Because the Bible writers were God's secretary, so to speak, they wrote down God's inspired thoughts - 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
Plus, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
Can you actually speak? I mean...without resorting to the Bible
Can you actually speak? I mean...without resorting to the Bible
No. Nor without cherry -picking it. According to John, Jesus said that when you see him, you see the father. Matthew and Luke in their concocted nativities make it clear that Jesus was god from conception. But, heck, the believer can simply rewrite the Bible to say whatever he wants to believe. And they wonder why we don't take their their faith -claims seriously.
At John 10:36 that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to answer who he is. Because the Bible writers were God's secretary, so to speak, they wrote down God's inspired thoughts - 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
Except they get it wrong.
You've never studied the gospels. You should, because you'd see the conflicts and contradictions.
If we are to believe John, then Jesus was crucified and dead before the Passover sacrifice even happened.
That contradicts Matthew, Mark and Luke, who all say it happened later in the week.
So, who are we to believe?
And, if the gospels were truly god-inspired, then why do they conflict?
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Originally Posted by Howest2008
Yes , true but the most important part of the Torah are the Ten Commandments......
There are 619 Commandments and they are all equally important.
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Originally Posted by ptsum
Sounds like you haven't lived long enough to really know what truth is, truth can be many things and each individual has many different interpretations of what is true.
Then you cannot be speaking of truth.
Truth is both absolute and objective. What you disingenuously call "truths" are actually beliefs.
Truth doesn't depend on your existence. Truth exists separate and apart from you. What is true is true, whether you exist or not or even if you never existed.
Beliefs are totally dependent on you, because beliefs exist only because you exist.
Your interpretation of truth --which could very well be wrong and counter to truth -- is belief, not truth itself.
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Daddy, that is called Luciferian Satanism,
Except there is none and it doesn't exist.
I'm guessing you don't understand Classical Biblical Hebrew and never read the relevant passage.
The word s-t-n isn't even Hebrew, it's Akkadian. It is not a proper noun or the name of a person. It is a noun that simply means "the accuser."
The story in which it is used is not of Hebrew origin. It's a Sumerian/Akkadian tale.
Ironically, the "accuser" in that tale is the one to have created humans.
It isn't until the Septuagint that Hebrews start referring to the s-t-n, but in all cases, and I think there are six occurrences, satan is an emissary sent at the command of Yahweh specifically to thwart the plans or actions of humans.
It wasn't until centuries later that people invented the purely mythical Satan, but that has nothing to do with Judaism or christianity.
You've never studied the gospels. You should, because you'd see the conflicts and contradictions.
If we are to believe John, then Jesus was crucified and dead before the Passover sacrifice even happened.
That contradicts Matthew, Mark and Luke, who all say it happened later in the week.
So, who are we to believe?
And, if the gospels were truly god-inspired, then why do they conflict?
There are 619 Commandments and they are all equally important.
Then you cannot be speaking of truth.
Truth is both absolute and objective. What you disingenuously call "truths" are actually beliefs.
Truth doesn't depend on your existence. Truth exists separate and apart from you. What is true is true, whether you exist or not or even if you never existed.
Beliefs are totally dependent on you, because beliefs exist only because you exist.
Your interpretation of truth --which could very well be wrong and counter to truth -- is belief, not truth itself.
Except there is none and it doesn't exist.
I'm guessing you don't understand Classical Biblical Hebrew and never read the relevant passage.
The word s-t-n isn't even Hebrew, it's Akkadian. It is not a proper noun or the name of a person. It is a noun that simply means "the accuser."
The story in which it is used is not of Hebrew origin. It's a Sumerian/Akkadian tale.
Ironically, the "accuser" in that tale is the one to have created humans.
It isn't until the Septuagint that Hebrews start referring to the s-t-n, but in all cases, and I think there are six occurrences, satan is an emissary sent at the command of Yahweh specifically to thwart the plans or actions of humans.
It wasn't until centuries later that people invented the purely mythical Satan, but that has nothing to do with Judaism or christianity.
You've never studied the gospels. You should, because you'd see the conflicts and contradictions.
If we are to believe John, then Jesus was crucified and dead before the Passover sacrifice even happened.
That contradicts Matthew, Mark and Luke, who all say it happened later in the week.
So, who are we to believe?
And, if the gospels were truly god-inspired, then why do they conflict?
There are 619 Commandments and they are all equally important.
Then you cannot be speaking of truth.
Truth is both absolute and objective. What you disingenuously call "truths" are actually beliefs.
Truth doesn't depend on your existence. Truth exists separate and apart from you. What is true is true, whether you exist or not or even if you never existed.
Beliefs are totally dependent on you, because beliefs exist only because you exist.
Your interpretation of truth --which could very well be wrong and counter to truth -- is belief, not truth itself.
Except there is none and it doesn't exist.
I'm guessing you don't understand Classical Biblical Hebrew and never read the relevant passage.
The word s-t-n isn't even Hebrew, it's Akkadian. It is not a proper noun or the name of a person. It is a noun that simply means "the accuser."
The story in which it is used is not of Hebrew origin. It's a Sumerian/Akkadian tale.
Ironically, the "accuser" in that tale is the one to have created humans.
It isn't until the Septuagint that Hebrews start referring to the s-t-n, but in all cases, and I think there are six occurrences, satan is an emissary sent at the command of Yahweh specifically to thwart the plans or actions of humans.
It wasn't until centuries later that people invented the purely mythical Satan, but that has nothing to do with Judaism or christianity.
Jesus never claimed to be God.
At John 10:36 that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to answer who he is.
Because the Bible writers were God's secretary, so to speak, they wrote down God's inspired thoughts - 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
Plus, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
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