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Old Today, 12:52 PM
 
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If Jesus was the smartest man, which he would have to be if he also was a god, then the natural question follows, why didn't he write any parts of the bible? Why did he talk in riddles, rather than clarity for future generations to understand? Why didn't he write in Hebrew, or Aramaic?

If he did, then the argument could be made that at least the NT was the "word of god". But no one is making that claim. Instead, we have this game of telephone, and things were written forty to 100 years after the supposed incidents.

Jesus as god really didn't think this one out, did he?
It's not supposed to be easy. You really have to go on faith. You are chosen by faith, not reason.

Jesus didn't come to earth to convince everyone, for sure, this is the way. Step right up, demand a miracle, I'll do it right now. He refused to "perform" for Pontius Pilate.

Because there's no faith involved in that.

His point wasn't to make it unequivocally clear to the masses that he is God. You have to take the leap of faith.
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Old Today, 01:06 PM
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How smart could Jesus be when you consider who his (purported) old man was?

Jehovah was an imbecile and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Old Today, 01:16 PM
 
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To assert that is to say that there is no sound, logical and evidential reason to believe in God, The Bible, Jesus and Christianity.

Thus (unless you contest that above, and good luck with making 'faith' anything else) the only honest conclusion of the correct use of our minds is to not accept the Christians claims until sound and convincing evidence is presented.

I don't see how any God that gave us brains could possibly blame us for using our minds to come to sound conclusions and would punish us for it, or would reward (if eternal life Is a reward rather than a torment after the first 3 billion years, even if you could stay sane with the rest of humanity - other than the Right Kind of Christian - being tortured) those who refused to use their brains and preferred to rely on Faith. Especially if the others who believed something else on Faith would be punished.

What sort of insane system is it for a Just and wise god to come up with to reward people for believing one baseless god -claim out of a dozen without any good reason and indeed against all good reason?

I can't cannot understand this criterion of Faith as the bottom line for winning eternal life.

Of course, if you don't believe eternal life and hell, than that's good, but then i see no reason why anyone should believe in Christianity anyway.

I can see 'It makes sense to God' hovering in the wings, but I see no way a God that is Good and Just could use a system that is not only senseless but immoral when He supposedly gave us sense and morality.
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Old Today, 01:22 PM
 
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It's not supposed to be easy. You really have to go on faith. You are chosen by faith, not reason.

Jesus didn't come to earth to convince everyone, for sure, this is the way. Step right up, demand a miracle, I'll do it right now. He refused to "perform" for Pontius Pilate.

Because there's no faith involved in that.

His point wasn't to make it unequivocally clear to the masses that he is God. You have to take the leap of faith.
Is there anything that one could not profess to believe in through faith?
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Old Today, 01:34 PM
 
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Jesus provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place , the disciples mission is only to make the introduction .
The weight of responsibility is on the one wanting this relationship.
The more desperately I pursued scriptures and seeking God's teaching above that of men, the greater my relationship grew and the Holy Spirit Jesus introduced into my life so that God can more freely teach me both the scriptures and things beyond scriptures and direction in every day life and reaching those God intends me to touch .
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Old Today, 01:47 PM
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Is there anything that one could not profess to believe in through faith?
Anything for which you feel there is zero evidence.
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Old Today, 01:49 PM
 
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It's not supposed to be easy. You really have to go on faith. You are chosen by faith, not reason.

Jesus didn't come to earth to convince everyone, for sure, this is the way. Step right up, demand a miracle, I'll do it right now. He refused to "perform" for Pontius Pilate.

Because there's no faith involved in that.

His point wasn't to make it unequivocally clear to the masses that he is God. You have to take the leap of faith.
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Jesus provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place , the disciples mission is only to make the introduction .
The weight of responsibility is on the one wanting this relationship.
The more desperately I pursued scriptures and seeking God's teaching above that of men, the greater my relationship grew and the Holy Spirit Jesus introduced into my life so that God can more freely teach me both the scriptures and things beyond scriptures and direction in every day life and reaching those God intends me to touch .
Given that God is reportedly unknowable, works in mysterious ways, passes all human understanding, etc, etc... it never ceases to amaze me how many are able to tell us EXACTLY what God intends, what God wants, what God thinks, what God's point was, what God came to do, what God didn't come to do, what God teaches, what God refuses to do, what God chooses to do, what God says, and on and on.

It's almost as if we were putting thoughts in Her head and words in Her mouth...
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Old Today, 01:51 PM
 
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Don't forget - also anything without good enough evidence. Anything that has Zero evidence is something that we haven't even thought of yet.
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Old Today, 01:51 PM
 
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Anything for which you feel there is zero evidence.
You set a mighty low bar for your god.
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Old Today, 02:10 PM
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You set a mighty low bar for your god.
I see evidence for a creator. If you donít, thatís your business. Faith is not blind.
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