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Old 04-14-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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What does the Chinese Constitution say about new religious movements? Not allowed. They are at minimum weird and thus "disruptive."

Do you think that new religious movements rights to practice new things outweighs the rights of a whole country's political system to manufacture a "socially stabilizing" Constitution?

Atheists groups should get as many benefits as religious ones. Old religious groups as much as new ones. So when is a new religion a legal religion? In the USA, it is when the State and its legal courts decide.



I don't know why it would be problem with stability. I thought the United States and other first world countries are accepting of new religious movements. Falun dafa is practiced freely in the United States and didn't cause instability to the country. There is a part of teachings in Falun dafa that tells practitioners to maximally conform to society and not act out of the norm. Do a good job. So they have normal jobs, and friends, and a social circle. If the Chinese government doesn't allow new religious movements then doesn't it limit free belief. Wouldn't it be oppressive? Falun dafa was initially endorsed by the government and allowed to be practiced for 7 years in China. Uighur Muslims, Tibetan Buddhists and House Christians are persecuted too and those are not new religions; that's because the communist party is an evil oppressive regime that only allows official state sanctioned religion loyal to the party.
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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Allegations are easy to make, especially by those that need them. The Communist Party in China is a Political Party. It has as much need to "harvest organs" as the Democratic Party or Republican Party in the United States. That is, to the extent that they care about sick people that need those organs.

Given this, if organs were being harvested from the dead bodies of prisoners (which would come at risk to the recipients) there would be plenty of evidence, and such a conspiracy would be difficult to keep under wraps (it would be quickly and EVIDENTLY uncovered).

Even in the United States you are supposed to book vital organs in advance since they are vital and require expedited transfer upon death. You are complaining that the waiting times are too short? They are vital, I repeat, vital organs.

How are the "victims" rounded up? During their illegal protests (given that the constitution only protects "traditional" Buddhist sects)? How then are their Falun Gong not keeping careful track of their own members with evidence to back it up. What are Chinese prisons allowed to do anything they want to live prisoners and dead prisoner's bodies? I doubt it. That would be an extremely odd power to grant to the Government.

The Xinjiang region of The People's Republic of China is majority Turkic Uyghur Muslims, hence their jails would be filled with majority Muslims as well.



I believe the organs are from executed prisoners. It is one of the most difficult human rights violations to prove because, in contrast to many other abuses, the only witnesses are the doctors, police and prison officers involved. The evidence, in a hospital operating theatre, is cleaned away with clinical thoroughness. It is almost a perfect crime because there are no victims to testify. That is because no one survives.

I wasn't really complaining about the short waiting times, maybe. One of the evidence of live organ harvesting is the average wait time for an adult kidney transplant in the UK is 1095 days. In the US it is 1825 days. In China it is 15 days. Organs on demand. China now does the most organ transplants on the planet. So where can all these organs come from?
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