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For me, the group thing doesn't matter too much. The thing about Christianity I abhor is this obsession Christians have for falling on their knees and groveling before Jesus praising and worshiping him 24/7 here and in heaven. It's absolutely sickening that the whole premise of Christianity is about us being subservient and in slavery to jesus for eternity. And you hear Christians in here constantly crowing, "Ohhhhhh...I can't wait to get to heaven so I can fall down on my knees and worship Jesus and thank him for dying for me!" Something very sad and pathetic about this whole state of affairs.
Last edited by thrillobyte; 05-15-2019 at 10:33 AM..
"Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the Lord our Maker."
Nah, let's not. Let's instead do the very thing that the Bible says not to and use our heads and the Brains that (by whom or what-ever) we were given. Faith and worship may give us the illusion of being worthwhile, but it isn't. Really, not.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon (19 June 1834 – 31 January 1892) was an English Particular Baptist preacher. Spurgeon remains highly influential among Christians of various denominations, among whom he is known as the "Prince of Preachers".
While he recognised that prayer -as -meditation and not a way of asking for things (because he would have seen that - despite the guarantee in the gospels - they often don't get them), he is making a faith -claim that only convinces those who are already convinced.
In my teens, when considering the claims of Christianity, a passage from an evangelical tract stuck in my mind: "It is not about "working up"; it is about a real experience of God". But 'working up' religion is just what it looked like and how could the writer (or Spurgeon) substantiate such a claim? It suffers from the usual flaw in faith -claims: they appeal to faith. In effect, you are suposed to believe what they say, simp;ly because they said it. That's without mentioning of course the Gospels (which he ought to know) which says that prayer is actually something else.
It is a necessary re-invention of Christianity in order to keep it credible, or at least appealing, but it is just adding a layer of deception to the already monumental lie of Christianity.
Also, the Nazis are an example who believed and carried out every action Hitler conducted simply because he said it.
Nah, let's not. Let's instead do the very thing that the Bible says not to and use our heads and the Brains that (by whom or what-ever) we were given. Faith and worship may give us the illusion of being worthwhile, but it isn't. Really, not.
I'm certain there was something political about the church leaders insistence that Christians empty their brains and mindlessly worship Jesus on their hands and knees. It had to be about servitude, capitulation, humiliation, etc.--all those things that break a man's spirit making him putty in the hands of the church hierarchy. I got a whiff of this listening to the Justin Bass/Richard Carrier debate in January 2019 when Bass closed his opening remarks with "Follow the evidence where it leads even if it leads you to your knees before the risen savior saying, 'My lord and my god' " Don't believe me? Listen at 38:44. Absolutely sickening.
I'm certain there was something political about the church leaders insistence that Christians empty their brains and mindlessly worship Jesus on their hands and knees. It had to be about servitude, capitulation, humiliation, etc.--all those things that break a man's spirit making him putty in the hands of the church hierarchy. I got a whiff of this listening to the Justin Bass/Richard Carrier debate in January 2019 when Bass closed his opening remarks with "Follow the evidence where it leads even if it leads you to your knees before the risen savior saying, 'My lord and my god' " Don't believe me? Listen at 38:44. Absolutely sickening.
Yeah even though I admit that there are good valid points in some regards to Christian philosophy (as a major influence on civilization), I disagree with mindlessly worshiping it as something like a slave.
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And you hear Christians in here constantly crowing, "Ohhhhhh...I can't wait to get to heaven so I can fall down on my knees and worship Jesus and thank him for dying for me!" Something very sad and pathetic about this whole state of affairs.
